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Originally Posted by Brutha

Who was the person who afterwards got world famous? He or his engineers?

this statement is pointless as he owned the company anyway, so regardless he would have the glory. the real question is if the engineers put in 40hrs like he did would they have the result

Originally Posted by Brutha

You assume that the amount of work is the only variable that can be changed.

no, you assume that i assume that. as i said earlier if you bothered to read my posts. there is doing effective work irrespective of the hours and there is putting in the hours.

you can put in plenty hrs on ineffective work
little hour on ineffective work
plenty hours on effective work
little hours on effective work

Originally Posted by Brutha

Cal Newport did a lot of surveying of successful students and found that good work habits are a lot more important than the amount of work.

So what?
are you saying you cant have good work habits and long hours? pls where is your evidence. So all the athletes and students who put in long hrs and excel all dont have good study habits, no?

Originally Posted by Brutha

Focus is more important than the amount.

heres what you conveniently neglect, NOT ALL ACTIVITIES REQUIRE LASER LIKE FOCUS. What do you think habits are? alot of jobs are repetitive. alot of Jobs require repeating the same procedure day in , day out. Sales for i nstance is a numbers game. as brian tracy who i respect and is respected in business says if you want to double your sales, then double the time you spend in front of prospects

Originally Posted by Brutha

In addition grades at as an undergraduate in universities like the University of Chicago are uncorrelated with later success in life.
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Not every study pans out in real life. I find your use of this study surprising in light of the fact that you see higher education as unneccesary. even though I can point you to evidence that says graduates on average earn more than non-graduates - at least in north amearica and the uk

Originally Posted by Brutha

If you work 80 hours per week you probably don't have the mental capacity to be creative anymore and come up with good new ideas

This is your opinion. you simply do not know enough of the worlds population to confidently claim this. Love the way you use the word probably

Originally Posted by Brutha

Other people like Tim Ferris and Nassim Taleb that I intellectually respect also don't like the concept of working long hours.
Both rather talk about focusing on that work that really matters.

Good for them. i prefer to focus on effectiveness as well. but if i need to throw hours at something like steve said in 5 pillars of self discipline, i will do it

Originally Posted by Brutha

By the very definition of world class, most medical students aren't world class.
I think Steve spends less than 20 hours/week blogging but it's not the only thing Steve is doing.

well that could be said for any field. but the world class medical and business people all threw hours at their work when they were coming up. according to business expert brian tracy most self made millionaires do 59 hours weekly

by the way, even if steve works those hours now, if you have followed steve over the years you know he is not afraid to put in the hours when a deadline is looming.

ps malcolm gladwell in his book outliers says there is strong evidence that asian kids do better than american because they do 80 more days a year in school.

but the most profound bit of the book was that many of the world class successes have logged at least 10000 hours in their field. he even beleieves the hours logged on the job is a significant contributer for their success