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It's a waste of time when the person doesn't know you're alive, IMO, or is in a relationship with someone else. By "waste of time" I mean that it might be so difficult that it might not be worth your bother. And the only moral problem I have is if they're already with someone else.
LOAing a partner isn't any different from using conventional means to get someone's attention. You're not subverting anyone's will. You're basically hanging out your shingle and saying, "Open For Business". It's the same as placing a personal ad.
I went "sleeper" in my last relationship attempt. I allowed my insecurities, lower drives and emotions to totally take over and drive the car.
If I had actually attempted to intend him to fall in love with me, and had absolute faith in my abiities, I would have had quite a lot more "inner game". My premature expectations would have gone into the intention and "burned off", and I would have been much more "present" to him and the relationship rather than gazing at him with big moon eyes on the third date.
I'm not crying. Why? My relationship with the world is a wizard's relationship. I attempt to engage my universe playfully, and as a student. This means at times inviting pain and hurt. I know that I may need to make several attempts before I get it right.
My experience with magick is that it often "burns off" excess emotion and drive and calibrates you back down to a regular level of energy when dealing with conventional matters. It's an effective way of dealing with obsessive feelings.
My belief is that it isn't even possible to affect another person's will using passive (LOA and magickal) methods alone. Anton LaVey summed this up the best of all authors, IMO; he very much implied that you had to use direct, active manipulation.
By using passive methods, the most you're doing is pointing your sail into the wind. Now, I won't argue with this; it's actually far more powerful than most conventional "sleeper" methods of doing things. You are basically intending to get the person's attention, but the decision they make about you is ultimately theirs.
I'm starting to believe that segment intending (ala Abraham Hicks) may actually be a better process for relationships than intending an end result.
My last debacle points that out.
I manifested him successfully - he showed up the very next morning in my inbox, after I used my Will, and was a perfect match of my intended partner in almost every detail.
However, when we started dating, we had a very major timeline issue. I was already halfway through the book of our relationship in my mind and he was still on the first page.
My understanding in segment intending is that you do see the end result, but you are doing your intention in stages. Instead of manifesting a husband (although that's a reasonable long term goal) I could have treated this in stages:
1) Manifest meeting people who I might find attractive and interesting, who fit my list
2) Manifest dating some of those people
3) Manifest getting serious with one of them... etc. etc.
I am actually of the belief, in fact, that you SHOULD try to LOA specific people provided you do it in such a way that does not feed your fixation. But IMO most actual energetic magick does not. An effective working is often the one that you forgot you did.
I also want to add that I'm aligned with neither Dark nor Light. I'm Chaos. This is a concept you see in Chaos Magick and Taoism, and you won't really find much about it in mainstream New Age/PD/LOA circles. The trouble with working from the Will is that it's still pretty rooted in the Self, even if you have one bad ass mofo Holy Guardian Angel that you have one great knowledge and conversation with (oh, btw, google "yidam"; this is an example of how this concept is handled by a tradition that is pretty purely Lightwork). As Self, you're only working from... yourself. Why limit yourself to that when you can channel all the power of creation and tap into limitless possibilities? Thinking for example that this one person is your true wuv, is an example of being too rooted in Self. You're being rigid. There are probably millions of BETTER possibilities out there. (Hard for me to accept, admittedly, lol.) To me, the very best working has always come from an expanded view of the universe, by pointing my sails into the wind - flowing with the direction of things, rather than fighting the current. The most effective LOA tends to be the ones that act as course corrections that steer you back into the current.
And the concept of Universal Love is just as egoic as Will, if not more.
I came to this conclusion after discovering that trying to go too far down the dark path actually made me a lightworker, and too far down the light path actually made me a darkworker. My own study and reflection led me to believe there was a force beyond each, which both bled into, and that's my alignment.
This does not mean I'm unpolarized. But I switch back and forth sometimes to do a working that's polarized. Google "paradigm piracy". Anything's a tool, even alignment.
Last edited by pyrogen; 07-10-2009 at 09:58 PM.