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Old 07-07-2009, 02:45 AM   #107 (permalink)
Gabo
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A pound of meat requires 2,000+ gallons of water to produce.
A pound of potatoes requires 64 gallons of water to produce.

Is 2,000 not FAR more than 64?

An acre of corn fed to cows produces 3,661 pounds of beef in a year.
An acre of corn produces 9,520 pounds of corn in a year.
An acre of avocado trees produces 19,675 pounds of avocado in a year.

To produce the same yield as an acre of corn, you need 2.6 acres of corn to feed the livestock, without even considering the grazing space.

Is 2.6 times not FAR more?

Livestock produce thousands of pounds of excrement per second.
Crops produce zero excrement - ever.

Is thousands of pounds per second not FAR more than zero?

The only problem you have suggested with eating vegetarian is that the land currently used for grazing is unsuitable for growing crops. However, to achieve the same food output we would not need any of the land used for grazing. In fact, since converting grain to beef produces less food than it consumes, we would require less cropland to produce the same output of food we currently have.

You are correct that we couldn't grow many crops on the current grazing land. However, we do not need to do so in order to feed ourselves. That land could be put to whatever use we want since it would be freed up.

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Humans aren't herbivores. We are omnivores, our body is made to get nutrition from many places.
A knife is made to cut many things. It can cut food in a kitchen, or it can cut your elderly neighbor to pieces. Would you say that the knife maker has made their knife to stab people with? I don't think so. What we choose to do with the tools we have is our own decision, not whoever made the tool.

We can eat meat, and we can eat veggies. It is our decision what we'll eat. I'm not saying nobody can eat meat or nobody should eat meat. I know for a fact that the majority of the population will keep eating meat.

What I'm trying to explain is that refraining from meat consumption is healthy for the environment. That is the only argument I am trying to make.

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Anyway, I got to go, I am gonna have dinner, meatballs and rice. I know I should be feeling guilty for that, but hey, you own a computer, I wonder if you feel guilty for using a computer on trivial things such as arguing in the internet considering all the incredibly bad environmental and social cost of a personal computer .
You shouldn't feel guilty for eating meat. I certainly don't feel guilty for using my computer. I acknowledge that using a computer consumes power, power that is partially generated using fossil fuels. However, just because I use a computer doesn't mean I'm going to deny that it consumes power, or deny that using a smaller computer or none at all would be better for the environment. It certainly would be.

Diet can be an emotional issue for many people because what we eat is a part of who we are. I implore you to take a step back from the issue and look at the simple facts. All levels of processing use up energy that is wasted and lost. Whether that processing involves transportation of a product, conversion resources to electricity, making grain into meat, or anything else, it uses up energy.

Eating foods that have been processed less, just like buying products that have been processed less, is better for the environment because less energy has been wasted.
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