Originally Posted by Cantando
I'm sorry, but it's not written in stone.
Many teachings/ theories suggest that consciousness creates reality. So which is it - consciousness or thoughts?
Measuring (observing) a quantum object supposedly forces it to collapse from a waveform into one position. This collapse, according to quantum mechanics dogma, is what makes objects "real".
So where did the quantum object come from? Surely, it must have already been there for you to observe/measure it? If it existed prior to your observation, then you did not create it. Hence, there must be something else, further back, beyond what you consider to be 'real'.
Our 'reality' isn’t the physical structure of the universe, but, perhaps just an information encoding imposed upon it. An analogy of fundamental reality may be that it is like a co-axial cable, and our reality just a cable channel transmitted on it. You can add as many channels as you like, with each channel thinking it’s the 'real' thing, when in fact, it's not. Or, to put it another way, whatever we think reality is, is just our interpretation or perception of it.
That 'it' we are attempting to interpret is reality. But, perhaps, we can never truly, fully grasp it. The act of observing means we are just creating another view of reality, perhaps a more penetrating view, but not the reality itself.
Also, note new developments in investigating 'collapse reversal':
"Collapse reversal" suggests that we can no longer assume that measurements alone create reality. It was back in 2006 that physicist Andrew Jordan, at the University of Rochester, together with Alexander Korotkov, at the University of California, Riverside, first mooted the possibility of collapse reversal. it is possible to take a "weak" measurement of a quantum particle, triggering a partial collapse. Katz then "undid the damage," altering certain properties of the particle and performing the same weak measurement again. The particle was returned to its original quantum state just as if no measurement had ever been taken. (source provided on request).
Hmm, possibly there is a problem with the semantics here? A consciousness must "know" the particles location, it has to have the thoughts involved with knowing the information so it can be said that thoughts therefore create reality.
I'm not saying thoughts create the field of potential particles or the wave aspect of reality. That may well be an emination of a "God" consciousness but that is beyond this discussion.
Yes it existed before the measurement but it did not exist in any physical terms. so the statement means "thoughts create physical reality".
Since science knows of no other meta-reality yet it is fact to simply say "thoughts create reality". A reality of uncollapsed waves is still a reality but it is not what we currently refer to as "reality". The metaphysical realm of potential information is not understood. By reality I mean our physical waking experience.
So yes there are more levels of reality and such but it is still fact that consciousness/thought creates the physical.
Your cable analogy sounds pretty good.
The weak measurements used for partial collapse involve an "assumption" that the particle is in it's lowest state. It is done only on qbits in quantum computers and is an interesting feature of Q mechanics. It does not negate the fact that thoughts do create "reality".
Even the partial collapse still involves a conscious/thought recognition or it will still act as an unobserved entity.