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Kanzeon · 06-25-2009, 03:40 PM

Acting Like Godot:

You are simply the most stunningly intellectually dishonest person I have every encountered. On the internet, that is saying something.

I'm not going to waste my time further. I will just note more of your absurd shape shifting arguements.

1. You say that christ says "mind can move mountains."
2. I respond: "no, he said God."
3. Your rejoinder: "Christ and I are saying the same thing, but I have an absence of the God element."

As to attachment, it appears you got your notion from someone else. I suppose you aren't to blame for that. But you know as well as I do that Buddhists have been meditating and visualizing for thousands of years: never once has a school of thought arisen that claims that you can attract physical objects and parking spaces through mental imaging. So to claim the notion is rooted in karma and nonattachment is simply bogus.

I didn't say I don't think you believe in free will. I said that you will pull phrases out of sacred texts whatever their appropriateness to defend your momentary point. In the debate you needed to choose a side on this. If I say that you can't manipulate the universe, your answer is that if you have something, it is God's plan. But, under your theory, it wasn't God's plan to have something unless you manifest it. So, you can't use the "God's plan" argument for changing God's plan. The reason you brought up the "God's plan" notion was to counter any argument that Christ didn't particularly promote acquisition of physical goods. He didn't. But you fall onto a concept that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you have been arguing to justify materialism within the Christian framework.

So, you'll continue to take a convenient sentence out of the Bible, here or there, and then, at the end of the discussion claim: "I said the same thing as Christ, but without the God part!" Again: stunningly dishonest.

Finally, when it comes to the mother of my friend, you have the unmitigated audacity to claim that I have made assumptions about and constructed my own subjective reality about her situation, and that it is quite possibly very good for her to sit in her hourly hotel trying to manifest her house back (if the universe wanted her to have it, and she could manifest it, she wouldn't have lost it, of course). I can't have a discussion with someone who is not only deceitful, but is proudly callous and inhuman.

06-25-2009, 03:40 PM	#48 (permalink)
Kanzeon Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 87	Acting Like Godot: You are simply the most stunningly intellectually dishonest person I have every encountered. On the internet, that is saying something. I'm not going to waste my time further. I will just note more of your absurd shape shifting arguements. 1. You say that christ says "mind can move mountains." 2. I respond: "no, he said God." 3. Your rejoinder: "Christ and I are saying the same thing, but I have an absence of the God element." As to attachment, it appears you got your notion from someone else. I suppose you aren't to blame for that. But you know as well as I do that Buddhists have been meditating and visualizing for thousands of years: never once has a school of thought arisen that claims that you can attract physical objects and parking spaces through mental imaging. So to claim the notion is rooted in karma and nonattachment is simply bogus. I didn't say I don't think you believe in free will. I said that you will pull phrases out of sacred texts whatever their appropriateness to defend your momentary point. In the debate you needed to choose a side on this. If I say that you can't manipulate the universe, your answer is that if you have something, it is God's plan. But, under your theory, it wasn't God's plan to have something unless you manifest it. So, you can't use the "God's plan" argument for changing God's plan. The reason you brought up the "God's plan" notion was to counter any argument that Christ didn't particularly promote acquisition of physical goods. He didn't. But you fall onto a concept that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you have been arguing to justify materialism within the Christian framework. So, you'll continue to take a convenient sentence out of the Bible, here or there, and then, at the end of the discussion claim: "I said the same thing as Christ, but without the God part!" Again: stunningly dishonest. Finally, when it comes to the mother of my friend, you have the unmitigated audacity to claim that I have made assumptions about and constructed my own subjective reality about her situation, and that it is quite possibly very good for her to sit in her hourly hotel trying to manifest her house back (if the universe wanted her to have it, and she could manifest it, she wouldn't have lost it, of course). I can't have a discussion with someone who is not only deceitful, but is proudly callous and inhuman.