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Originally Posted by mercuryrising  I would like to ask a related question to abortion that never seems to get addressed. It is largely based on my own experience, but I think there are many men who would agree with me.
The argument for abortion is that a woman has rights over her own body and that another person (i.e. men) have no say whether a woman goes to term with a baby or not.
Ok. If that is true, why does that same woman have rights over a man's income if she chooses to take that baby to term? If a man has no say in her bearing a child, why is he potentially obligated for 18 years to pay her to raise that child? Or do anything else with that child?
If the counter-argument is that a man makes his choice at the time he chooses to have sex with a woman, then the same restriction on a woman should apply. She makes her choice when she decides to have sex with a man. I don't think that scenario would be beneficial to either the woman or the man.
What I see is that we are playing both sides of the issue when it comes to reproductive rights, and the ball always lands on the woman's side of the court. Feminists want to get rid of the traditional family because it is repressive to women. But on the other hand, they want men to take responsibility for a child that is fitting to their traditional role in a family.
If it is voluntary for a woman to decide whether she wants to have a baby, I think it should be voluntary for a man to support her decision to have that baby.
What are the errors in this argument, if any?
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2 wrongs dont make a right. Even if a man parts with a portion of his pay cheque, he doesnt go through anywhere near what the mother goes through in terms of time, effort, energy or even money. His career progression is not hampered, like the mothers is. This is too serious to be sorted out by contractual agreements. This is life we are talking about.
How many married men cheat on their wives, then try and get the woman to have an abortion? How many irresponsible men have unwanted kids with one then go and have another unwanted child a few mths later?
The fact is sex is the single most pleasurable act ever. Most of us enjoy it immensely. Ever wondered why so many starving children in the world, even though their parents could just about afford to take care of themselves? and in many countries cannot take care of themselve?
The fact is ALL US MEN KNOW, prior to having sex, that once the seed is laid in the woman, it is out of our hands. Just as people know once you put your money in an investment, once in freefall it is out of your hands unless you can find a buyer. In child birth unless a woman agrees to an abotion its out of your hands.
SO WATCH WHO YOU LAY WITH, FIRSTTTTT!!!!!!!!
If I jump of the roof, once mid air unless I can find something to break my fall, I am up **** creek.
In my parents country where child support is not enforcable, the amount of married men having children out of wedlock, and not acknowledging them is staggering.In many cases the man wines and dines the woman (usually a teen or early 20 something) then dissapears when she is pregnant, then eiether disappears or has an attack of conscience when the child is 18.
People can talk about us men being tricked, but the fact is Aids and other diseases do not discriminate on intentions. This is not a case of buyers remorse. Before people have sex, we know the risks. Condoms split, women lie about contraception (I have had that happen to me too) but the fact is you knew before hand. Be a man and face the consequences. Carry your own condoms
I personally know how scary it is, to almost have a child you are not ready for, but the fact is YOU CHOSE TO HAVE SEX. The crazy thing is you will think that would deter people, but it doesnt. I personally know many men who duck financial responsibilty for 2 - 3 children mothered by women they dont like.
How many teens who cant support one child, go on to parent more a few yrs, sometimes months later.
Fact is, reasons do not alter facts. Once a man lays his seed in a woman, it is out of his hands, IT HAS BEEN THIS WAY, FROM THE DAWN OF MAN, BEFORE ABORTION WAS INVENTED. If a man can look himself in the mirror, and chose not to pay for his own offspring, for whatever reason, then thats his choice to bear.
If you dont pay for your child, somebody else will. whether that is society through taxes or charity.