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Originally Posted by aggie  God expected man to be obedient...not perfect... |
Okay then. He expected man to be "perfectly obedient."
Note: I've been speaking about the Christian perspective, not my personal one.
My point is that to enter Heaven, you have to be sinless. This is impossible for a human to do. So God has setup a system where we automatically fail and need someone to "take our blame" for us. So God sent Himself (or His son) to take the blame for His creations because His creations do not abide by His own rules.
I consider our discussion to be on topic because God's just playing with Himself, apparently.
In all seriousness, we may consider continuing this somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by aggie so i still don't believe that he intentionally wanted to create evil with choice to be obedient or not...or that he loves satan to keep evil in the world so there can be good... |
I believe that God knows everything. He knew Adam would fail when He created him. He knew Satan would be evil when He created him. If I know my dog will attack your child, and I let my dog off its lease, then it is my fault your child is attacked. You can't ask for obedience when there's no alternative. You can't claim to be good if there is no bad, just like you can't claim to be tall if there is no short.
So to me we have two beliefs.
1. God knowingly created Evil, or
2. God doesn't know everything.