[ssandra]

Originally Posted by newsbone

I thought that the mental faculty has a lot to do with the way we physically handle situations ssandra? The brains in away predetermines if the body in a position to absorb the phallus if a 40m year old, that is if she has made a personal decision to engage in the act. Or are you saying that 14 year olds cannot differentiate between pain and pleasure?

I disagree here completely. There are things that you could handle physically, but not mentally. Example; being bullied (either adults at work, or children at school), being called names. Physically nothing happens, you can handle it. Mentally it is another issue all together.

Same with sex. Your body can be ready, but that doesn´t mean that your mind is as well. In adolecense you grow both physically and mentally, but it doesn´t happen at the same time and in the same pace.

Ofcourse a 14 yr old can differentiate between pain and pleasure. But it is not always that simple. Sex (especially the first few times) can be very very intense and can have lasting consequenses, not just babies but also how they feel about themselves, how they feel about their sexuality and their selfimage. At 14 you don´t have the capability yet to see these things, at 14 it is still very much about instant gratification.

Originally Posted by newsbone

What I know is that unless it is rape where one party forcefully exercises potent power over another I think the only notable difference between a 14 year old and a 40 year old is experience otherwise they have equal power based on give and take. If you talk of learning/experimentation I believe an experienced tutor is well placed to guide you through the basic steps than a fumbling teacher who does not understand what it is in the first place.

There can never be an equal give and take between a 14 and 40 year old because of the difference in experience, even if the 40 year old would still be a virgin as well. As a child you have an image in your mind of adults, they have a power over you.
Power can be very very subtle, it doesn´t have to be rape. As a child adults are in a position of power, they have power over you, simply by being adults. Even if the 40 yr old doesn´t realise this, it still is there.

About the learning, it is not a teaching thing. It is about experimenting. As an example; a 3 yr old playing with dolls with another 3 yr old is not the same as a 3 yr old getting a lesson from a 40 yr old in how to play with dolls. She has to experience it on her own, discover alone what she likes about dolls, how she wants to play. But if an adult tells her how to play she will not be able to do this.

Originally Posted by newsbone

My 3 years old daughter influences most of my decisions to her favour everyday, am convinced that manipulation is an inbuilt mechanism is women that all they might initially lack is the knowledge of their power over men, but this does not stop them from unconsciously doing it now and then. In all relationships that I have witnessed or participated women irrespective of experience have power over men with sex as the preferred weapon of choice.

Children always try to influence adults. Thats what they are children for. They have short term memories, and short term desires. Are you giving your 3yr old candy every day for diner because she wants it? No, because she cannot forsee what that will do to her, so you protect her, by forbidding it (at least, I hope so.. ).

I feel sorry for you that you only had such a limited experience with women. If you are willing to take something from me, there are other forms of relationships, build on equality and trust. Not on trying to get something from someone by giving or withholding sex.

Originally Posted by newsbone

Power herein lies at the hands of the provider and in this instance am convinced via experience that the women irrespective of age can make any man kill for sex! And they always both knowingly or unknowingly wield and use what they have to get what they want; this is real power!

Again, I´m sorry that you see the world like this. There is a whole different world out there, where it doesn´t revolve around power and making people kill for you.

Originally Posted by newsbone

Ssandra are you saying you no longer have any kind of crush of the opposite sex who you find to be physically attractive to you? Me thinks you are more experienced in understanding the futility of the feeling rather the absolute lack of it.

Of course I have crushes, I have had them as well. I am also old enough now to see them for what they are.

I am not lying awake at night thinking about how pointless life is because I cannot go to a concert. I can see things in perspective. I know that if I would go to a concert that would be fine, but I could not do other things with that money. When I was 14 I couldn´t see that, I couldn´t understand the difference between a crush and love or even being in love.

Originally Posted by newsbone

Why do we adore those who have become millionaires at a very young age and consider them as role models but abhor those who experience ‘physical sex education’ at what we consider an (mentally) immature age? If the issue is as you have put it, that sex ‘wont run away’ why then delay the inevitable?

The difference is that a 15yr old who is making money is doing that alone. They are not working for Microsoft 40 hours a week (being managed by an adult). If they have a company with a friend who is also 15yr old, way to go and I hope they will be successful.
If a 15 yr old discovers sex at a young age and is experimenting alone, more power to them. If they do so with another 15 yr old (responsably), way to go.

The diffence gets when there is an adult in the mix.

Why delay the inevitable? Because it will be better for them later. Therefor delay.
Why delay drinking with children, because it will be better for them later (or at least, not as bad )

I am not against sex, or even against sex between young people, as long as it is their choice and they are not forced, bullied or influenced by anyone. And teenagers get influenced very easy, especially by adults.