[shanlstrick]

Not wanting to start an argument I dissagree Hilary, the fact that interference patterns do not show up when a particle is detected is significant. The FACT that an interference pattern shows when a particle is NOT detected is just as significant - there is NO argument there. This has nothing to do with Wolf, he hardly originated this, it's established in testing.

Okay, Wolf is the one who stated to me that it's the observer (not the equipment), until I find evidence to the contrary I'll conceed that. But what I said in the above paragraph still holds.

Add to that evidence that people influence machinery all the time, many tests done show how computer random number generators can be influenced by test subjects concentrating on certain outcomes is indisputable.