Joshiepoo - Logic is not where you will ultimately find the truth you are looking for. However, it is a process you must go through on your journey because it will eventually lead you to the paradox that will force you to move from "reason" to "unconditional love" on the scale of consciousness. In order to make that breakthrough you will need to truly experience subjective reality for yourself. Right now you are looking through the lens of objective reality and trying to make sense of the concepts of subjective reality so everything is getting totally distorted. It will remain that way until you can suspend your belief in objective reality long enough to truly experience subjective reality in the pure form at which time a sense of indescribable unity and pure love will flow through you and change you forever. Once you have experienced this change there is no going back because engaging at lower levels of conciousness no longer serves your needs. Those that have experienced unconditional love do not get drawn into logical debate because they know this is not where you will ultimately find your answers and at the same time they know it is exactly where you need to be on your journey right now. There is no judgment just the understanding that each person is on their own journey, each journey moves at its own pace, no journey is any better or worse than any other journey and every journey leads to the exact same place. This is the unconditional love that Jesus taught. And Buddha taught. And Krishna taught. Everything comes into alignment and there is peace.