[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Yes.

This goes against what the other posters have been saying but I don't think they get it.

The price for using fear energy to gain a sense of total domination over your reality is giving up that feeling of pleasurable connection. Darkworkers just live with that.

On the other hand the price for feeling deeply connected is to give up the sense that you are superior or inferior to other people.

(Darkworkers don't want to feel inferior but they care about feeling superior deeply enough that they don't want to transcend that duality and enjoy a sense of equality).

No, you don't get it. Somebody who really loves themselves ain't gonna feel lonely. Someone with real confidence doesn't care about feeling superior to others. In fact compulsively comparing yourself to others is the mark of a scrub. "Are they a potential threat?" "Does this guy have something I don't?" "How can I gain the edge?" That's what's going to go through a darkworker's mind. (Yeah, I know some of that looks like it relates to superiority/inferiority, and it does. The point is that's not the focus of the thought process. That would be a waste of mental energy. "I wanna be better than you" isn't nearly as helpful as "what brings me closer to my goals?")

Oh sure, some might revel in their superiority to others, but it's not a given. It's stupid to identify one possibility as "the darkworker personality" when both darkworking and lightworking contain a whole range of possibilities.

No, you can't. A lightworker isn't defined by principles. He's defined by the energy he uses. Hitler very clearly used fear energy. Now, whether he deluded himself into thinking he was making the world a better place is another matter. A lot of darkworkers do. As they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

High energy twisted into destructive force is frightful regardless of which energy it is.

If someone is acting in society's best interest by their intent then it's love focused in an outward direction. Since we don't really know what was going on inside of Hitler's head it's impossible to say what was really driving him. What is clear is that he was mentally unstable; it might be inaccurate to say he was polarized at all. Chaos is powerful too, after all; the problem is that it can't be controlled (obviously) and will almost certainly destroy everything in its path, wielder included.

Being on the side of light definitely doesn't mean being on the side of catholicism or any other orthodox social conditioning. Sounds like you want to be "dark" because of the way society has defined "light".

No, I'm dark because that's the energy I'm harnessing. You don't understand that what a darkworker is "supposed" to be, by your estimation, isn't how he -has- to be. One of the reasons I look up to Lucifer is because he's misunderstood which in turn represents one of the most significant aspects of darkness- mystery. IE, the act of embracing what I cannot at first comprehend.

See, I'm not a spiritual Satanist. Hell, I'm not a Satanist at all, I just like the symbolism, and I admire some of the people who identify with that path. And I hardly identify lightworking with Christian orthodoxy. In fact I think lightworking and orthodox religion are incompatible. It would be idiotic to think that anyone leading a conscious life would be subject to social conditioning and senseless dogma. (Okay, that's an exaggeration; I think lightworkers are prone to that, I just admit they don't have to go in that direction.) However, even those on that path use Christ as a symbol for what they admire and what they hope to become. I'm using Lucifer the same way.

Those guys are objectivists, not darkworkers. That's a philosophy based on self-interest but leaving room for the interests of others.

Realistically you can't completely abandon the interests of others if you want to succeed in life. As a human being you can't completely abandon the interest of others because you're going to care about some of them. If polarizing causes you to forsake part of your nature it will destroy you which would defeat the purpose of doing it in the first place.

A darkworker wants to be better than everyone. His ultimate desire is total self-glorification, which for him necessarily involves an equal loss of glory for everyone else in his reality, not any sort of rational self-interest. Neither the compassion and burning desire to help which the lightworker feels, or the raging need and desire to come out on top which the darkworker feels, can be explained properly in terms of rational social, psychological or evolutionary thinking. You could try to fit LW/DW into those thought systems after the event of accepting their reality, but they just are, really.

Make no mistake: darkworkers will go after what they want without regard for anyone that gets in their way. It's the way life is; it should be understood that there's a chance you'll fail and/or be destroyed in the pursuit of your goals.

It doesn't have to be malicious as is implied by what you said. I'm just trying to get **** done, I'm not actively trying to deprive other people of glory. Reach for the stars, just don't expect me to give it to you if you're after the same thing I am. It's a lie to tell someone that we can all get along and that we can all have what we want even if we're all after the same thing.

One last note on the whole philosophy thing: folks like Anton LaVey present sound darkworker philosophies. Yeah, this is about energy, not philosophy, but if you want to harness the energy picking your philosophy is a good place to start. If you're a fatass and you act like somebody that's in shape (exercising every day, watching your calories, etc.) your energy is gonna change with your body. Same principle here.