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Originally Posted by funchy  Just say no. Much of that stuff isn't self-help. It's manipulation, "games", using women, and deception. It teaches a mindset of trickery and lies, and if you buy into it, you start believing women must also be this sneaky.
Here is the flaw in the logic: guys get into it because they don't have the confidence to approach women on their own. So the guy perfect the act and plays his role perfectly -- and the girls talk to him. But no matter how many women he meets, it's the ACT not the real man that they're responding to.
And as a female myself: I can spot the act a mile away. I may play along and smile and think it's cute, but I've never let a guy who is "running game" go home with me. I don't have time for fake people. "Players" are the reason why so many of us women avoid talking to strangers or give out real phone numbers in the first place. |
Funchy, that's partially true. As I said, the Pick up community has a variety of styles. Some of them are on the dark side, some of them are not. I wouldn't' reject the entire community altogether, the same way I wouldn't say all people of X race are bad.
I mean i could totally master karate and go beat up an entire block of innocent men women and children, but typically people who learn karate are not out there to harm people. Though some are on that dark side. Most people learn it just to improve self defense, as most people just learn pick up to improve their chances of meeting someone.
As for learning to present yourself in a confident way, that can be learned, but not faked. Real confidence can not be faked, that's true.
You should check out mode one by alan roger currie. The whole thing is about being 100% honest and upfront about what you want from a woman whether it is romance, sex, friendship, etc.