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Originally Posted by Baltar  Wow, that's a very strong statement to make. You've basically just said two things: that gay people are bad for society, and that they can become straight if they choose to. I don't understand how homosexuality could possibly cause a decline in society so I'm not going to even comment on that. However, what I can say with a great deal of certainty is that you can't change your sexual orientation.
I'm male, and consider myself to be at least somewhat bisexual. Generally I would prefer women over men, and there's no way I could become more homosexual or heterosexual than I already am. Once the orientation is set, it's hardwired in the brain and can't be changed. People who say they've "converted" are simply lying to themselves and everyone around them. We have seen the sad consequences of this in the Catholic Church scandal. |
that is not what spitzer thought (see a couple of posts up) or these psychologists....
In 2001, Spitzer delivered a controversial paper at the 2001 annual APA meeting arguing that "highly motivated" individuals could "successfully" change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. The APA immediately issued an official disavowal of the paper, noting that it had not been peer reviewed and bluntly stating that "There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change one's sexual orientation."[1]
Robert Spitzer (psychiatrist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
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And I doubt many people on this self improvement forum who believe in I-m and visualization think that you couldn't
change if you wanted to. I could be wrong, so i will just say that's may take on it.
regarding gay people being bad for society, I clarified it a couple of posts up:
regarding backing up....
it's a bit much to go into here but decadence and libertinsim do not go hand in hand with classical liberalism - in fact usually the opposite is true - decadent societies are usually ones that are falling apart (late Moorish Spain, Late Rome, Entruscans, Weimer Germany, Moghul India to use a few examples) and they are usually conqureed by a more 'upright' people (Stoic republican rome, Christian Spain under Isabella, Protestant Britian/Northern Europe vs. Precounter reformation southern europe).
(some people theorize nations/peoples fall when the family unit- the building block of society - falls apart (late rome for example tried to require all patricians have three children) often
homosexuality is a hallmark of that break down. - granted so is 'free love' childless couples, ect
symptom, not cause, in other words...