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Originally Posted by Megan  Have you visited your local Christian bookstore lately, dor? 
Lots more people are buying those Christian books about "crazy islamo-facists" than are buying Harris' and Dawkins' books, I would imagine. |
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Yes, I agree I have a problem with them too.
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Originally Posted by Megan I'm not saying he's not agenda-driven, but c'mon, get real, Christianity is getting pretty scary itself, dor!
To expect every representative of science to be a model of reason but to give Christian extremists a free pass--tell me what to call that besides an agenda?
I challenge you to bend the considerable force of your intellect toward the aim of creating a balanced picture of how this polarized situation actually was created.
Projecting all the blame on the evil others, whether they are scientific or religious evil others, is not going to help.
And co-opting spiritual experience as only religious, and then painting people who are not religious as culturally deficient as you do on this thread is just painful to behold.
I have impulses to disavow Christianity in big red capital letters, if you want to know the truth, when I read that stuff you write to Michael, not to mention when I watch Ted Haggard in action. Aaargh! |
Well, maybe haggard needs a massage again
....well, democracy can produce some scary presidents and people..doe that mean you want to abandon it? People do lots of bad almost always in the name of good...what did CS Lewis say, communism and faciscism didn't appeal to people evil but their good?
Do you abandon the idea of love or equality because you dated a jerk or because of communism? What did CS Lewis also say, if you think I am bad now..if i wasn't christian i would be worse- or was it Waugh..i don't know.
I agree Christianity has become polarized the mainline churches stand for next to nothing...as a jewish friend of mine quipped, Episcopals are afraid the mention the name Jesus Christ...then on the other hand we have mega churches telling people the world's 4000 years old- but religion despite Dawkin's wishes is growing, not fading away - and its the fundementalists or heavily orthodox (in all religions -not just christianity) that are growing - literally by having more children - but as the dawkins clip you sent touched on, they are drawn to these churches for other reasons - and I think it has something to do with the post sixities break down of society and family....
Angela, you're angry and you don't like me, noted.
"using words like "ignorant" and "dangerous" to describe writers whose original work you have never read, and, in fact, have declared that you never intend to read"
I explained why and once again, you're twisting the truth. I have read articles by dawkins and harris, watched interviews, read stories and reviews about that quote the books at length. Considering it took you, two or three posts to even begrudgingly acknowledge that Dawkins was in fact talking about what I said he was talking about (the 'rainbow' wasteooftime/discussion), so we're just going in circles here. You keep making the same accusations, I explain my problem with him, you make the same accusations. As I noted further up on this post to Meghan, I have a problem with Christian authors/Ministers spreading that same lie about 'islamo facisim' . Are you saying that Harris and Dawkins don't blame religion for the problems in the middle east and northern ireland or are you saying you just don't like me saying it.
If it was easy to refute that I would have thought you would have by now.
have you read through all of the creationists arguements/books? No? how can you oppose them?.
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you yourself are a propagandist." For what?
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You take no responsibility for it here, and seem to be dead-set against considering the possibility of taking a look at yourself and seeing that you're guilty of exactly what you accuse others."
I accuse Dawkins of either a. lying b. deliberately ignoring the truth. c. self-deceit to advance an agenda. If you can find where i have deliberately distorted history, to advance an agenda please, point it out.
"'I'm a great writer and you could learn from me' stance (despite astonishingly ample and ever-mounting evidence to the contrary.."
Unless you're a. writer i admire b. have a check for $300,000.00 & and about 75 million in financing for my script....i really don't care what you think of my writing, and as i have noted, I don't put much effort into the posts here....do you watch a lot of Lifetime?
"that makes me wonder, were most Conscientious Objectors Amish or Quaker? "
Michae::: Perhaps beause I live in the east I am more familiar with them...but it was my impression their pacificism was common knowledge (Witness, Harrison Ford) and every once in awhile tragically, amish kids will be mowed down by a drunk driver, and the amish forgive him...
i don't know what they did in the civil war... WWI had a lot of socialists con. obj. viet nam, a lot of God-damn hippies
I don't know about WWII. I believe Quackers usually served in the medical corp rather than go to jail...