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Originally Posted by newsbone

At least you witnessed this events first hand never learnt them from any where. So what if , are you the only one with that right or was it posted for your eyes only? Wake up as you are also doing the same. Or do want to tell me, that you are the source of all the information you have? Wake up. The net is not yours, alone.

I study history from a Christian, Jewish, and un-bias pure archaeological point of view. Therefore my perspective is far more accurate. I recently read a book on why Jesus was not the Messiah. Then I read criticisms from Christians. The reviewer actually admitted he had some true points but put his investigative methodology into question, therefore deciding the book and all his work was invalid. He used a strawman to come to a bias erroneous conclusion. I can see through poor arguments. You do the same thing. I therefore conclude your version of history is incomplete. We already saw this in action last thread. Once again - end of story. It's already been established your views on history are inferior.

Originally Posted by newsbone

There you are again!
i. Jesus was not born in a cave but in manger.
ii. He was not born in December 25th,
iii. Jesus performed miracles, mithra did not,
iv. The disciples of Jesus continually profaned the Sabbath,
v. Bread and wine not bread and water was symbolic of the body of Christ not Mithraism sacred cow.
vi. It symbolized the blood of Jesus (the Lamb of God) not of your bull.
vii. We don’t have any pictures of Christ anywhere let alone the halo.
Seemingly we are talking of different things here, unless you want to force it down my throat.

You left out the similarities. Those are just a few, there are many more. Especially with the Zorastrians. It's clear to any non-bias thinker that these mythologies are just passed on, with minor changes. Besides the most notable of these aspects, dualism, judgement at death, heaven and hell, a savior born of a virgin, a final judgement, and resurrection, there are many more. Fundamentalists will always refuse to acknowledge the truth but it stands. That's how it is.

Originally Posted by newsbone

You amuse me! If those are characteristics of gods, what then is your problem with it? What do you mean by ‘non bias’ and then specifically point out Christianity and Jewish? Isn't that bias already?That is biased against other forms of religions including your ‘UNITARIANISM’ whatever that is. How many of this non bias historical sources have anything but pieces for stones for evidence? Most of these are nothing but individual theories that are built round assumptions of the historians-there opinion of what they thought it was. Come up with concrete evidence print it as Constantine did (according to you) let us read them, please don’t post it on the net for it is a sin to read it from there. History is biased at least you are not going to dispute that for you said it (we are all biased).

The evidence is poorly formed Jeudo-Christian arguments and unbias historical evidence. Taken as a whole it gives the most accurate truth.
We've already seen your bias in action. Stop beating this dead horse.

Originally Posted by newsbone

Does history prove the existence of Jesus? I all along thought it was just a myth? Can history prove the existence of mithra, did he live, was he a god, what were the names of his disciples, and is Mithraism still in existence?

Zorastrians had a Moses and Mary figure, both starting with M.
History can't prove Mithra was an actual god. That's because like Christianity they are all mythologies.

Originally Posted by newsbone

Inconsistencies you said! And when did I pretend that those verses did not exist? Let as see the liar here, I NEED YOU TO QUOTE WHERE I SAID THAT THOSE VERSES DID NOT EXIST. Let us see who wants to win by changing, topics of debate to suit his ego!

You posted some John to suggest he had a particular stance on one issue. But you left out the verses where he said the opposite. That was the origin of my statement "pretending they don't exist". It was figurative. Like the bible. I forgot fundys think everything is literal. I have to remember you need everything carefully spelled out and that you are quick to pull any bait and switch to make yourself sound capable.
Don't think I forgot that this is from your strawman post. Where you made up a point never in question and proclaimed to "win" something.

Originally Posted by newsbone

Are you sure of what you are implying? Now compare your dubious allegations with these verses;
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for[a] the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:1, 2.
Inconsistent i am you said, Ha!

Thanks, that helps prove more inconsistencies! Because he also says Christians NEVER sin.

Originally Posted by newsbone

Quite an interesting allegation, do you have facts to cover yourself? I really would love to see the original documents before Constantine’s bishop did a forgery? Are you aware most teachings of the Catholic Church are in total disregard to the basic teachings of Christ according to the Bible? If there was a forgery why then does the Bible differ with Constantine’s church – the Roman Catholic? Don’t go around these.

LOL, The bible is Constantines church. Now pay attention here. The forgery was regarding something a Jew for Jesus wrote about Christianity that YOU used to back up Christianity. I already gave you one fact regarding the forgery and you said "aw...that's probably a mistake.". NOW you're asking for facts?????????? Again????? You are not the brightest bulb on the tree are you? I really don't want to debate with you any longer. You are not smart enough to make it interesting. I'm sorry to be so blunt.

I am aware of the problems with the Catholic Church. I don't care. If you are looking for an opportunity to sprout useless info on how much you know about the catholics this is not the place. Yeah they believe others besides Jesus can speak for God. Big deal? You think a book is the only word of god. Both are missing the point just as much.

Originally Posted by newsbone

What were you up to; indoctrinate me in someone’s opinions about the past? Into your confusion? Sorry you need more than pointing out words that you dislike appearing in the Bible, and your consistent infatuation to Constantine.

I'm up to nothing. You started talking to me. I don't care what you believe.
I'm not confused. I know it's just mythology.
I am infatuated with constantine. Amazing he can create an obvious metaphorical mythology and people still today don't realize it. Incredible!

Originally Posted by newsbone

There you go again blowing your own trumpet, is it not enough to be the beginning and end of history? Where was I wrong, you are so full of yourself that you don’t use your …………..!

I must embrace my ego occasionally and enjoy my victory. I won't have such capacity for base thinking forever!

Originally Posted by newsbone

Am not concerned about how you think but the limits of your thinking, which is confined to one department of knowledge, you obviously limited to within a specific area and yet claim to be a liberated thinker. Unless your definition of freedom is restricted

Yes, I admit to being confined to one area. The area is known as "the truth".

Originally Posted by newsbone

Wow! Do you always hide behind words? Come on, am not yet through with you. Bible knowledge my foot! Is that what you call your confusion? Just going through the Bible looking for similar words and you call that knowledge? Go back to college!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. "Do you always hide behind words? " HA HA HA HA HA. This from Mr Quote 1 billion verses from the Bible. HA HA HA HA HA HA. Yet another stance change from you. Sigh. Do you enjoy playing the fool over and over?
I must be confused, I thought I corrected you on bible knowledge. Lemme check the previous posts.
Yeah, I did!!

Originally Posted by newsbone

Yeh! At least that is the far an infant can see,Ha! Prophet of doom you are.

"I know you are but what am I" ..... that's the best you can do? Over here we use that strategy as small children. Then we outgrow it. Same with mythologies.