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Old 04-06-2009, 09:37 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Johnny Soporno View Post
Heh - I can see how you might distill it down to just that, if you were convinced that women didn't enjoy recreational sex!

The offer is actually nested in the follow-up to expressing your openness to, and appreciation of, her right to decide when and with whom she has sexual experiences. In other words, your offer is:

I accept you for who you are, a treasured friend, and I am unwilling to sacrifice the relationship we have, because it is healthy, worthwhile, and appropriate. That said, I have no desire to have you as 'my property', or to interfere with your pursuit of romantic satisfactions, so I would not label you as "MY Girlfriend", just as you wouldn't want me to be "Your Boyfriend".

We ARE eachothers' "Friends", and IF you would like to have playful sex with someone who will continue always to be here for you, and who will appreciate, accept, and attend you WITHOUT JUDGING YOU! then I'd be delighted to be that someone - or ONE of those 'someones', as I will never make a claim to having exclusive access.



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First of all, you are operating from a VERY faulty premise.

Women, regardless of how attractive they may be, DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO 'ANY NUMBER OF GUYS' whom they are ATTRACTED TO, AND ENJOY SUFFICIENTLY simply to select one, and have sex with him.

Women SHOULD, certainly - but they don't; mostly because they KNOW that they will live to regret it if they DO, because society will brand them negatively and deride them publicly; the men they connect with with alter their opinions of the woman afterwards, (particularly if she doesn't wish a repeat encounter); and they have been raised to believe that doing so would prove them 'unclean' and 'unworthy' and demonstrate that she hasn't any self-respect.

When you explicitly and sincerely express to a woman FRIEND that she WILL NOT BE JUDGED, CONDEMNED, NOR ABANDONED regardless of her decision as to whether or not to engage in recreational sex with you, and that the only way your relationship might change is that NOW you'd have gotten past the 'physical intimacy barrier' and can be still more open and connected than before. Oh, and that you can also both get laid when you both want to, if you wish, without risk.



Just because YOU cannot have a friendship with a woman you find sexually attractive does not imply that other, more mature men will have the same limitation.

Overwhelmingly, I HAVE slept with most of my female friends, and still might on occasion, with any of them. This is because OUR FRIENDSHIP IS GENUINE, and doesn't require us to compartmentalize-away our sexuality in order to relate. We can accept one another as sexual creatures, without feeling that 'having sex' implies 'being boyfriend & girlfriend', nor assigning any sense of possessiveness of jealousy to one another.

As for my girlfriends venting to me about their stresses and concerns, trials and tribulations, OF COURSE THEY DO, and they are welcome to - we're FRIENDS, remember? - and frequently they will ask me for advice on how to get with some guy they have a crush on at work, while lying in my arms in bed, or equivalent.

Johnny Soporno
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Sorry man, you are logically trying to compartmentalize woman, and woman are not rooted in logic so much as they are rooted in emotion.

They don't make logical deductions for their actions. They tend to back rationalize their behavior rather than think of the consequences beforehand. In the realm of dealing with women, the man who can make her feel the broadest range of emotions will be the man she is most attracted to.

If you are meeting with success with your method, then it's because you are exhibiting other behaviors that those women find attractive. You can't broadstroke your advice based off of this one little trick, because there's way more to it than that.

In fact, it's kind of hard to broadstroke dating/sex advice anyway, and usually when I see someone doing it, I immediately write them off as a keyboard jockey or a fraud. Nothing personal, just stating my observations.

Another thing to think about.....there are TWO types of friends when it comes to women. There's the "friends with whom she MAY sleep with if the right situation and circumstances allowed it" and there are the "completely and totally friendzoned guys that she can never be attracted to." Your advice might fall in line with the first one, but it gives false hope to the second one (where more guys actually ARE whether they realize it or not).

The real truth behind it is this...be who you are. Don't choose to be friends with a woman that you find yourself desiring to sleep with. If you want to sleep with her, then escalate it toward a sexual relationship, NOT a friendship. I don't know about you, but when I choose to be friends with a girl, I immediately remove the idea of having sex with her from my mind. She becomes on of those people with whom I seek friendship. When I want to have sex with a woman, I escalate the situation towards a sexual relationship and take the risk like a man.
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