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Originally Posted by Joshiepoo3000  By your statement above you are acknowledging ones personal responsibility to an objective truth. |
No, I don't. Obviously I am not expressing myself clearly. My fault.
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Originally Posted by Joshiepoo3000 If ones experience of a teacher telling them that they are failing a class makes it their reality and responsibility, then the same would apply for a teacher telling them that their faulty actions will determine their placement in either heaven or hell in the after life.
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Teacher: I am Jesus, if you chose me, then you will go to heaven. Otherwise you will go to hell.
Student: I don't chose you, but I will not go to hell, because it is not in my reality. |
Huh? How did we get to Jesus now? Perhaps you took my "blessings" as a sign that I am religious? Sorry if I mislead you. I am not. I do not mean that in a religious way, but I can see how you could have interpret it that way. My aplogies.
The reality that I experience is *my* responsability. I created it. That includes the religious person that tells me about hell or heaven (which in my reality that's annoying).
Don't get confused between the experience of a reality that I created AND merely messages I get from the reality I created. A person telling that I'll go to hell is like a teacher telling me that I am failing class when I do not experience going to class in the first place
In the original example, Do I go to class? Do I experience class everyday? I assume Yes, otherwise the example would be silly. But perhaps I disagree with the teacher about it. The fact is that *I* created a reality where (1) there is a class, and (2) the teacher has somewhat the last word on the concept of "failing" or "passing" class.
If you create a reality where someobody has the power of telling you that you'll go to heaven or hell, well than maybe you will create such thing and you will go in such place.
You are too cought up in subjective/objective and it seems to drive you crazy that I do not want to pick one and one only (which, in fact, I don't). I say that these two concepts taken by itself are not enough to describe how things are.
That's a bit like photons, which behave like particles AND waves at the same time. Well, I think that reality behaves in part in a subjective manner and part in an objective manner, for lack of better terms. Neither term is a complete description of the whole.
Phewww... This would be a cool conversation to have in front of a cup of coffee or a beer
I fear that a forum is not e good tool for it.