Originally Posted by yossarian
Most atheists are not.
Atheists who believe in spirits, but not Source, are gonna be like .0001% of total atheists.
The far far majority of atheists reject all paranormal occurrences.
To me it seems weird that someone would recognize the existence of spirits, telepathy, precognition, multiple spiritual dimensions, etc, but be unable to perceive Source, where it all originates.
I'm saying Source because it has fewer connotations. The point is that even the most anti-Christian spiritual person recognizes some form of supreme oneness. New Agers call it Source or at least the sum total of everyone, or the light within, or whatever.
My point? If you disbelieve in God I strongly doubt you believe in spirits. Even Luciferian cults believe in God; they just believe he is now dead and supplanted by Lucifer lol.
With respect to suicide pill - the stated goal of the Power Elite (according to their own documents) is not to force anyone to take the pill, but to convince society to create pressures that make it shameful to NOT take the pill.
So when you retire, you'll feel this social pressure that tells you the honorable thing to do is suicide so that you aren't a burden on society. The media, schools, and hospitals will encourage this. The whole sales pitch will be to "relieve the burden on society" and make the person feel guilty for being alive but not working.
Mercy killing is just the start of this.
I'm not saying they're gonna succeed, but this is their publicly stated goal. So I find it interesting that you mentioned it.
Implicit in mercy killing is the statement that life is not worth living if the body is in physical pain. This itself is the result of materialism - the idea that ONLY the body exists. In truth physical pain, in a spiritually developed person, is not the end of the world. "Humanism" is the movement that doesn't recognize the spiritual reality and instead only recognizes the value of the material. There is nothing wrong with recognizing the value of the material world. What is wrong is ONLY recognizing that value, and failing to recognize the value of the spirit. The spirit does not have to suffer from physical pain, and suffering itself is not senseless.
first of all there is more then one definition of spiritual. a person doesn't have to believe in the things you consider spiritual to be spiritual.
second do you have stats to prove that most atheists do not believe in all or some of the things you do(minus god of course)
thirdly do you have stats to prove most atheists dont consider themselves spiritual.
fourth even if most dont its not all, and so to label all as what most do would be a stereotype
again i repeat belief in god is only required for belief in god, nothing more.
on suicide i agree its bad to force OR brainwash anyone into suicide. but that doesn't mean having the option is bad.
many get bainwashed into believing in god or following a religion from childhood, which is also bad, so does that mean we should make belief in god and religion illegal? no. its still good to have the option.
we should work on removing the brainwashing if there is any, not remove the option.