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Old 03-22-2009, 09:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
Keith
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Originally Posted by Parthon View Post
Why is porn disempowering to just women in most people's views? Why is it not also disempowering to men?
Because most porn shows the male in a position of power and the woman in a subservient role.

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I agree with your point A, but not with point B.

What is more empowering for a woman to be able to say YES (or NO) when somebody says "hey baby lets shag".
Nothing. But the regularity with which it happens in porn makes it seem like the women are basically just there for the men to have sex with. There's never a possibility they might say "no" because they have no independent will.

Often they don't even appear to particularly enjoy the sex - they just participate in it because that's their role.

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I also donīt see how you come to the conclusion that there is a lot of pornography out there that is very non-conscious?

About the violence, there is a market for it, a lot of people like it, therefore it is made. As long as it is a fantasy, not reality, I donīt see the problem.

I think porn is all about woman empowerment. Owning your own body and deciding what to do with it, based on what you want, not what society tells you.
It is possibly empowering for the porn actresses. It is rarely empowering for the characters they portray on-screen, which is all the viewers are seeing.

Over time, people subconsciously absorb the repeated message. In the same way Steve advocates avoiding the news because your subconscious absorbs the negativity, I advocate avoiding most pornography because your subconscious absorbs a negative stereotypical image of women from them.

Like I said at the start: there's nothing intrinsically wrong with pornography, but it's often implemented in a disempowering way. I'd like to see more pornography produced that portrays women as human beings with individual personalities as well as individuals who are wanting to have sex.

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I am only interested in how Steve see Porn and how Steve manages this thread. Its not like harming him or challenging him, all self-help gurus have certain responsibility towards his/hers readers, because of the nature of Self-Help.

Why cant Steve disclose his opinion on porn?
He's probably just busy at the moment. Hopefully he'll turn up soon.
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