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RRR · 03-07-2009, 12:58 AM

In my experience kids treat their parents like crap because their parents treat them like crap. Children don't respect their parents because their parents don't respect them. Everything is a learned behavior.

Tieing the 911 story into childhood behavior is very interesting. I doubt the child does that for kicks, there is likely a reason the child feels a need to throw a massive tantrum and get their parents in trouble. If the child and parents had a wonderful close relationship that was mutually rewarding I can't see that happening. Maybe its because the parents are trying to force the child to do something without the child's consent. Maybe the child wants attention.

Its nonsense to believe children have too much power. Time out? Try pulling that on an adult. Bed times? Try pulling that on an adult. Little kids have their lives micromanaged by adults ALL the time. Individuality, preference, and opinion hold very little sway. By the time a child hits puberty the outright aggression does change...mainly because the kid is large enough to fight back physically if necessary...

Now I'm not saying adults have a lot of power. In terms of power most adults are slaves. Slaves to imaginary concepts and institutions.

Imagine as an Adult you are told by the where to go, what to do, and who you must do it with. That is childhood from ages 6-18 from 7 am - 3pm. (Plus homework) You have to go because if you don't your parents will be arrested or you will be arrested. Its absurdly violent and coercive, not to mention a horrible waste of time.

My point with neighborhoods and organized sports for children was the segregation of established neighborhood/friendship teams. I'm not advocating neighborhood friendships as an extreme ideal...but for a child who can't really get around in a car you have limited options. If you spent time with the same group of friends as a child instead of being split up to work on other teams (Sports, School, Church), your group would become much more cohesive. If you had the freetime as a child to work with your group on a meaningful project (Setting up a website..whatever.) Even a group of 8 year olds could generate a significant amount of fun/wealth/income/experiences.

Essentially:

Tribe > Nuclear Family

03-07-2009, 12:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
RRR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Rafael, California Posts: 451	In my experience kids treat their parents like crap because their parents treat them like crap. Children don't respect their parents because their parents don't respect them. Everything is a learned behavior. Tieing the 911 story into childhood behavior is very interesting. I doubt the child does that for kicks, there is likely a reason the child feels a need to throw a massive tantrum and get their parents in trouble. If the child and parents had a wonderful close relationship that was mutually rewarding I can't see that happening. Maybe its because the parents are trying to force the child to do something without the child's consent. Maybe the child wants attention. Its nonsense to believe children have too much power. Time out? Try pulling that on an adult. Bed times? Try pulling that on an adult. Little kids have their lives micromanaged by adults ALL the time. Individuality, preference, and opinion hold very little sway. By the time a child hits puberty the outright aggression does change...mainly because the kid is large enough to fight back physically if necessary... Now I'm not saying adults have a lot of power. In terms of power most adults are slaves. Slaves to imaginary concepts and institutions. Imagine as an Adult you are told by the where to go, what to do, and who you must do it with. That is childhood from ages 6-18 from 7 am - 3pm. (Plus homework) You have to go because if you don't your parents will be arrested or you will be arrested. Its absurdly violent and coercive, not to mention a horrible waste of time. My point with neighborhoods and organized sports for children was the segregation of established neighborhood/friendship teams. I'm not advocating neighborhood friendships as an extreme ideal...but for a child who can't really get around in a car you have limited options. If you spent time with the same group of friends as a child instead of being split up to work on other teams (Sports, School, Church), your group would become much more cohesive. If you had the freetime as a child to work with your group on a meaningful project (Setting up a website..whatever.) Even a group of 8 year olds could generate a significant amount of fun/wealth/income/experiences. Essentially: Tribe > Nuclear Family Last edited by RRR; 03-07-2009 at 02:55 AM.