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Sunny · 01-11-2007, 05:37 PM

Cyclon -

I don't claim to be an expert on this topic, but there are a few things that I picked up from Steve's posts that I think might help you. The "pure" teachings of Jesus (which do not include everything in the Bible or taught by the churches because a lot of stuff has been added, changed and subtracted along the way) were actually given from the subjective perspective. Basically, Jesus saw the world through a subjective lens. However, the way his message is traditionally taught is through the objective lens which causes it all to get totally distorted. We naturally feel this distortion through a sense of "dissonance" where things just don't add up or make sense so many of us dismiss Jesus all together and go seeking answers in eastern philosophy, atheism etc. (This is the experience I had from the ages of about 18 -28). But if you can take a step back and actually remove your objective lens, replace it with a subjective lens and look at the pure teachings of Jesus again you will see them in a whole new way, the way they were actually intended and suddenly everything will align and make sense. So yes, it does all sound familiar because we are really talking about the same thing, but when you remove the objective lens and replace it with the subjective lens you will suddenly see it in a totally different way. From the subjective lens, Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc. were all teaching the exact same thing! And even better, it all lines up with science and quantum physics and our own experience of life! Wow, what a relief

It is kind of like those picture books that came out in the 90's made up of all the really small dots. When you first looked at the picture you saw one thing. But if you looked long enough and you were able to relax your eyes without trying too hard you suddenly saw something totally different. When you tried to show a friend how to do it you both ended up frustrated. She couldn't figure out how to make it happen and thought you might be crazy or just totally making it all up. You couldn't really find the words to explain it to her so that she could have the experience for herself. All you could do is answer questions the best you could and encourage her from the sidelines to keep trying. And then suddenly she just "got it" and you were both laughing and talking about how cool it is.

Also, from the subjective perspective if you choose to create the experience that it will take you many lifetimes to work out your karma then it will. And if you choose to experience that it can all happen in this lifetime then it will. I am choosing to experience the latter.................

01-11-2007, 05:37 PM	#22 (permalink)
Sunny Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 39	Cyclon - I don't claim to be an expert on this topic, but there are a few things that I picked up from Steve's posts that I think might help you. The "pure" teachings of Jesus (which do not include everything in the Bible or taught by the churches because a lot of stuff has been added, changed and subtracted along the way) were actually given from the subjective perspective. Basically, Jesus saw the world through a subjective lens. However, the way his message is traditionally taught is through the objective lens which causes it all to get totally distorted. We naturally feel this distortion through a sense of "dissonance" where things just don't add up or make sense so many of us dismiss Jesus all together and go seeking answers in eastern philosophy, atheism etc. (This is the experience I had from the ages of about 18 -28). But if you can take a step back and actually remove your objective lens, replace it with a subjective lens and look at the pure teachings of Jesus again you will see them in a whole new way, the way they were actually intended and suddenly everything will align and make sense. So yes, it does all sound familiar because we are really talking about the same thing, but when you remove the objective lens and replace it with the subjective lens you will suddenly see it in a totally different way. From the subjective lens, Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc. were all teaching the exact same thing! And even better, it all lines up with science and quantum physics and our own experience of life! Wow, what a relief It is kind of like those picture books that came out in the 90's made up of all the really small dots. When you first looked at the picture you saw one thing. But if you looked long enough and you were able to relax your eyes without trying too hard you suddenly saw something totally different. When you tried to show a friend how to do it you both ended up frustrated. She couldn't figure out how to make it happen and thought you might be crazy or just totally making it all up. You couldn't really find the words to explain it to her so that she could have the experience for herself. All you could do is answer questions the best you could and encourage her from the sidelines to keep trying. And then suddenly she just "got it" and you were both laughing and talking about how cool it is. Also, from the subjective perspective if you choose to create the experience that it will take you many lifetimes to work out your karma then it will. And if you choose to experience that it can all happen in this lifetime then it will. I am choosing to experience the latter.................