[Maguru]

Originally Posted by yoopersmith

I agree that the concept of "I AM" cannot be "known" in the traditional use of the word known or know. I also believe that the "I am" feeling or experience can be "known" in a way of knowing that doesn't need words or thoughts or concepts...

I am not disputing the possibility of the "I am', I am disputing your concept of "I am.' I believe your concept of 'I am' renders it impossible to be known in the traditional sense of experiencing it.

I am simply aware that I am. I don't think I need to find it the "I am" or become the "I am"...I am already it...

Yoops, we can't get past this belief. If you think this is true then there is nothing more for you to do.

Sure, ok my sense of self is locked into the NOW and even though I am not always conscious of my whole self (I.E. there are still unconscious bits laying in the dark recesses of my past...)...I am being the "only me that I know"...who of course is always subject to change and growth. The ego might be in my perceptions...like who I perceive myself to be....or the me I think I am.

This is not the great "I am". This is the yoops you know but you know this isn't the real you. The real you is the one you cannot know. So does that make sense? I think what you are really saying here is that there are two of you.
Your focus is on the great "I am" that you cannot know and my focus is on the little "I am" that you do know parts of but................. you cannot be the great I am until the little I am grows up.

Speaking my truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth would just be silence. Sorry about the contradictions...words fail...and I do was well.

Yes, words do fail all the time but you and I are attempting to have them succeed. I believe communication is the greatest tool we possess. The written word is the most powerful of all. The pen is mightier than the sword.

...this is my best.

Ah, a little bit of little yoops. Do you think you can do better?

Glad to be your mirror

Did I say that? Yikes, not what I meant if I did.

w00t! I thought you were going to say it would take more to make you angry...I gave you something that you asked me for...I did that to promote your reputation as a ♥♥♥♥♥...have fun with that <wink>

Oh, you mean the ♥♥♥♥♥ mirror. Ok, I'll give you that one.

Now, that's funny.

My ♥♥♥♥♥ always does the unexpected