[Maguru]

I've read both posts twice from beginning to end. I'm so excited. It's wonderful stuff. Hold on to your hat.

Originally Posted by yoopersmith

WOW! That is the best question EVAR!!! To be honest this question scared me a little bit...it made me a little restless...this might take a while...tuck in:

The first thing that came to mind is ... ummmm, I already said I "don't know"...but you are trying to understand why I choose to embrace and find peace in "NOT KNOWING" a truth.

...when put that way...it doesn't make sense...so I had to ask myself again, and this brought up some fear...maybe I am wrong? What is this fear? So I meditated on it.

Then I watched some videos that I like that I find inspiration in...Then, I experienced some peace for a moment and went to bed...

When I awoke, I came up with several answers for you to try on...none of them are very good...but I will do my best.

First I thought, "that's what all the teachers say, and I agree with them"...so I was just regurgitating there...that's no good.

Then I remembered a passage from "The seeker's guided" that I will paraphrase...the truth is always out in front of you just on the edge of the horizon that keeps you moving forward in your journey...still icky...

The Carrot!

I also thought about the poem "Ithaca" by Homer...you can read it...Ithaca is an island that the heroes had to travel to...but the poem suggests that you need not rush to the end but enjoy the ride...i.e....it's about the journey and not the destination....ok...better...but not it.

Put up and shut up!

These all still kinda stink, but hold on, you might the last bits...

The truth as I choose to believe can't be "known" as a concept and kept as a belief...so my belief is a concept that I use to "point" me back and remind me of an experience that I believe is as close to the truth that I have come to...

I will use words to describe the experience I had...I think you said you have had this experience too...the bottom line of the experience is that truth isn't a concept to know...the truth is the truest part of my being...or the true ME.

Yes I think we have shared the same experience but drawn different conclusions.

When I experience what I believe to be "the truth"...the universe blinks out of existence in my mind...it's all gone...it's just peace, stillness, aliveness...just pure being.

How can experiencing anything become a being? It is still you experiencing without thoughts. If this was your true being then why is not your true being on the outside? I see this as an indicator of who we can be. A glimpse of us in the future, perhaps?

The truth is...outside time...but those are just concepts...I forget those...

so...why??? is that SO COOL and comforting?

Here we go.............

This truth is outside of perceptions...there is no past or future...no requirements of living, no judgments, no work, no comparison, no pain, no living and dieing, no loss, no seeking, no wanting, no needs...just still restful peace...alive and aware....while I experience truth...I rest in the fact that I am complete NOW and forever...without need.
...I dig that stuff...and it helps me sleep.

That probably still is stinky, but I haven't written a book about this stuff (close with this thread!), so what the hell do I know.

That's what we are here to find out. Are you ready to see that what you have come to believe as false is actually true? Are we experiencing what you deem to be perceptions. Aren't they are real in the here and now?
The other side (in bold) is escape from reality and helps you sleep. I just might be your worst nightmare.

We are good at reflecting each other...I remember asking the universe to send me someone to question everything I say to help me learn how to write...thanks for showing up...it's working!!!

Oi, I am using you! Don't you know I can't have you ruining my reputation. I show up for me not you. Bugar, why do you make it so difficult for me to be ♥♥♥♥♥?

Hey...there is dark matter and dark energy, so that must be what you are made of...seems like there might be more darkness in the universe than light...it's like darkness is the canvas and light is the paint, you need both to see the picture in the painting.
You expose me...<blush>

I'm smiling now. Now you are beginning to see the metaphorical me. I'm not blushing at all with this exposure. I am very happy. I don't hold all the darkness. We all do. The only difference is "I love mine."

Always try to have fun...I forget sometimes...thanks for the reminder.

There you go again. I was being sarcastic. I have never known such a white spirit before.

You pushed several buttons...very nicely done...I hoped you get some insight out the answer to the best question...if this stuff were easy to write about there would be gurus living on the street giving it away for free...

Ma GURU already is.


There you go again ruining my reputation as I have to concur. You are pushing my humility button. You are beginning to expose my light. I redeem myself by saying, I told you I was using you.............

Thankyou.