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Originally Posted by Byron

What is the truth of suicide? For the individual, society, and spirit?

The modern views of suicide are based on dogma of religion, law, or medicine, but neglect the personal, moral, natural, and spiritual views.

So, what is the truth of the subject?

truth is that it is murder. self murder. it is killing someone.

Regarding the cost to society-- it is often more costly for society to sustain a life that does not want to be lived, than it is to let it go.

It is also more energetically costly to keep someone pushed in 'life' whose spirit is not entirely in life, and their work and energy that they give off to others that are fully in life, is energetically draining. It is better for a light to be on or off, not halfway on or draining electricity inefficiently, if it does not want to be on.

the judgments needed to sort out who is worthy of living or not is like... well genocide thinking.

Societally, if abortions are so widely accepted and progressive, that it is generally better not to give life to something that cannot be sustained,
then why not the same for those who are already alive outside of the womb, who feel their own lives can no longer be sustained?

might as well conclude all human life should be killed off.

It is healthier for the body to release cells that are no longer functioning, even if their life span is not yet finished.
And for the diseased branches of a tree to be pruned, rather than to be sustained simply for the sake of living.

again- who would be able to make these judgements?

The current model of applying a blanket statement that suicide is bad and no one should commit suicide, is to overlook the nuances and individual circumstances surrounding a contemplated suicide.

Often, the contemplator faces a spiritual or moral dilemma, or circumstances that cannot be reconciled.

if this is a reason for killing (self), then most people would have offed themselves by now!

The current view of society is that the person should keep on living, despite his spiritual or moral pain.

no it isn't - the current view is these people work on getting better - not sit around in pain.

There is a difference between rash suicides, done out of anger or impulse, or reaction to temporary circumstances,
and those that are really thoughtful, in which the contemplated suicide has gone through counseling, and already explored suitable options for living
(this includes dealing with irreconcilable circumstances, maintaining moral and spiritual integrity, dealing with terminal mental or physical illness, and euthanasia). Most impulsive suicides probably should be prevented, so that the individual can think clearly and act in a rational manner only. But here we can talk about thoughtful potential suicides.

thoughtful suicides don't exist. no one thinks they should kill themselves without being really emotional about it, imho.

Sometimes morally and circumstantially, life is better to be ended in a thoughtful manner, than to be sustained in an inferior or unacceptable manner.

easily extended to genocide...

So, what is best for the individual, spirit, and humanity as a whole? Are the current views accurate and in accordance with higher moral truths, both universal and individual?

yes current views are in line with moral truths - not sure your views of these issues are.

Will suicide one day be more accepted in society?

huh? no.