[Parthon]

Originally Posted by mercuryrising

I think you are setting up what life 'should' be and if it isn't that, then people can kill themselves. I actually think that this kind of expectation on life is what leads people to suicide. Life should be X, but it is really Y. People resist that. And suicide is the final choice in that resistance.

Not at all.

I'm from the school of thought that life is whatever you make it, and that all life is sacred. I see suicide as a malfunction of people not realising this. It's when people see life as an expectation, that's when depression happens, and when thoughts of suicide are entertained.

I however was pointing out the difference between suicidal people and nonsuicidal people. It's true that people who are healthy, wise and ambitious are not suicidal. And it's true that people who are not suicidal are not healthy, wise and ambitious. Or at least, not all three at once.

Life doesn't have to look or be a particular way, but when someone is contemplating suicide, then they are seriously entertaining the thought that they dont' belong here, or that there is nothing left here for them, or nothing more they can offer.

The thought of killing oneself has spiritual implications. And I'm not talking about burning in hell. I mean that it is a point of spiritual death/re-birth. So I would say that people who have contemplated suicide and lived through it are really alive as opposed to pacified zombies.

It sobers me sometimes to know that the only reason why I'm still here is that I made a promise to myself to live, in spite of myself or the world. There was a moment in my life where I felt completely worthless and unwanted, and it was only due to the realisation that the only person in the world that will ever give a crap about me, EVER, is me, that I said to myself "**** it, live to spite the world. If it doesn't want you, then be a thorn in it's side, and live to spite it."

You are completely right though. It was the decision that pushed me from surviving to really living.

Perhaps if I believed that people's value could be measured by their carbon footprint or that they were just bio-chemical robots, then it wouldn't particularly matter if they self-destruct. But I know too much. I know people's value is immeasurable. I know that they are more than their body and mind or their past or what any particular belief system says they are.
And I would say that anyone who understands those things from beyond an intellectual point of view would not consider killing themselves as a viable option.

If anything, suicide is a result of our society's contempt for itself. Making it more acceptable is just a recognition of that contempt and that we can't find a good reason to be alive. Why would you revel in that?

I fully agree with you here.

Suicidal people aren't anywhere near balanced enough though. They are filled with shame, guilt and fear, preventing their true light to shine through. How can you express your true nature when you doubt everything about yourself. By raising our own consciousness and those around us, we can contribute to helping the world raise it's overall consciousness. I would one day like to see the end of despair, hate, unjustice and anger. And the end of suicide.