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eternomi · 01-07-2007, 05:08 AM

I don't know what exactly kicked me in my heineken, but I reread the "subjective reality" series of blog posts.

Apparently I had failed to grasp Steve's perspective the first hundred times I read these posts. I always thought the consciousness was due to the body/brain, but S/R suggests that this is not so. The body I normally identify with is no different than any other body I see. It is simply an automoton that obeys the consciousness which I experience. It is thought that animates the body I normally relate to and the other ones as well.

If I stop identifying with the body that I used to refer to as "I", and refer to the experience of consciousness as "I", this answers a lot of questions, but brings up new ones such as:

* I always thought consciousness was a byproduct of the body, so I explained not being aware of anything before birth to not having a body. How does one explain "not having a beginning" within S/R? If I always were, then why don't I remember it?

* Consciousness controls the actions of all beings via the thoughts/beliefs it holds.. But it doesn't handle all the details? For example, if my consciousness intends peace, love and harmony for all, it doesn't have to spell out the procedure as to how this is going to be accomplished? Another aspect of this is, how does the belief of "people are untrustworthy" or "people are loving" manifest "exactly"? Who is handling the details? If the consciousness is handling them, then why am I not fully aware of all the details of what is being manifested?

* I always thought the body experienced things which helped it grow. Now that this body is the same as all the other ones in a single unitary perspective, how can consciousness grow? Growth requires time and we just said time is within the consciousness container, so by definition, consciousness shouldn't be experiencing growth or learning... Why isn't the consciousness container all-knowing in the first place?

* Since I related my consciousness to a physical body (the brain to be specific), I kept thinking the body controlled what my consciousness could know/feel/perceive etc. If that is not so, then what does the "subconscious" have to do with anything? If the consciousness is all there is, then how come there are "background processes" that always run "seemingly outside of my consciousness" working against my intentions?

Steve, if you have answers to these, please share here or in a blog post.
Thank you

01-07-2007, 05:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
eternomi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 195	On Subjective Reality/God Consciousness I don't know what exactly kicked me in my heineken, but I reread the "subjective reality" series of blog posts. Apparently I had failed to grasp Steve's perspective the first hundred times I read these posts. I always thought the consciousness was due to the body/brain, but S/R suggests that this is not so. The body I normally identify with is no different than any other body I see. It is simply an automoton that obeys the consciousness which I experience. It is thought that animates the body I normally relate to and the other ones as well. If I stop identifying with the body that I used to refer to as "I", and refer to the experience of consciousness as "I", this answers a lot of questions, but brings up new ones such as: * I always thought consciousness was a byproduct of the body, so I explained not being aware of anything before birth to not having a body. How does one explain "not having a beginning" within S/R? If I always were, then why don't I remember it? * Consciousness controls the actions of all beings via the thoughts/beliefs it holds.. But it doesn't handle all the details? For example, if my consciousness intends peace, love and harmony for all, it doesn't have to spell out the procedure as to how this is going to be accomplished? Another aspect of this is, how does the belief of "people are untrustworthy" or "people are loving" manifest "exactly"? Who is handling the details? If the consciousness is handling them, then why am I not fully aware of all the details of what is being manifested? * I always thought the body experienced things which helped it grow. Now that this body is the same as all the other ones in a single unitary perspective, how can consciousness grow? Growth requires time and we just said time is within the consciousness container, so by definition, consciousness shouldn't be experiencing growth or learning... Why isn't the consciousness container all-knowing in the first place? * Since I related my consciousness to a physical body (the brain to be specific), I kept thinking the body controlled what my consciousness could know/feel/perceive etc. If that is not so, then what does the "subconscious" have to do with anything? If the consciousness is all there is, then how come there are "background processes" that always run "seemingly outside of my consciousness" working against my intentions? Steve, if you have answers to these, please share here or in a blog post. Thank you Last edited by eternomi; 01-07-2007 at 05:21 AM.