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Old 01-06-2007, 11:14 PM   #37 (permalink)
Mark Lapierre
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Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot View Post
What happens in meditation is that you simply lose more and more of your conditioned responses and thoughts - thereby becoming more and more aware of what's happening around you, and this is when you start noticing more synchronicities.
Yes, I can understand what you mean. Thankyou. Perhaps when I experience this myself more frequently, and with greater clarity and depth, I'll stop being cynical. I will keep practicing, regardless

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Stop being such a literalist. The "two-eyes" analogy is a metaphor for an obstacle that God needed to solve. And this is merely a theory of mine; I don't for a second mean to infer that this is fact. That would be ridiculous, of course.
I was simply trying to point out that the metaphor as it was stated begs criticism by those who don't agree, even if they're willing to be convinced. I was offering a way to achieve that convincing, or at least a greater understanding of what you're trying to say.

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It's simply not possible. Even for God. One cannot create SOMETHING from absolute NOTHING. Assuming in this theory -- and not all that different from how Genesis reads -- In the beginning...." there was God and nothing else. No Universe, no stars nor galaxies nor dark or light matter. Nothing at all physical. Just this thought-energy clump of self-awareness all alone, surrounded by an infinite void of absolute nothingness.
Do you really believe we could possibly know what is and isn't possible for God? Even if we are part of God, we are a greatly limited part. We can try to understand, but if we try to understand through logic, we have to challenge the simple assumptions.

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Since quantum physics shows us that all matter when broken down to its basic building blocks is truly ENERGY, it becomes logical to assume that God made the physical universe out of the thought-mind-energy that was Himself, and, basically, all there really was to work with.
Until we have a better understanding of quantum physics we can't use it to make unequivocal statements about reality. There are many interpretations of quantum mechanics, and some do support the proposition that matter is both energy and particle. Therefore we can't assume that energy was all there was to work with.

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Isn't that EXACTLY what you would ask yourself if you found yourself all alone in a void, with nothing but your self-awareness and unlimited potential?
And that's one of the issues I have with our conjecture about God's motives. How can we, limited humans, no matter how enlightened, possibly know what God asks itself? Aren't we just feeding our ego if we assume that God would do the same thing we would? Our logic states that experience, growth and learning is a valid path to take, but that doesn't mean God's logic wouldn't state something different.

Finally, I think it's possible to live a joyful and fulfilling life while not believing in a subjective reality where we are all one. The benefits of doing good for humans, animals, and everything else in this universe are obvious to anyone who puts aside their selfishness for long enough to explore the concept of working for the greater good of all. This doesn't have to be a spiritual endeavour, but I have no complaint with those who make it one, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs onto me. Force inevitably creates resistance.
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