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Hi vMike,

Thanks for your replies.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on some of these animal issues.

Originally Posted by vMike

I'm afraid you're contradicting yourself by comparing lions to humans and for the 4th time, animals act based on instincts and simple habits, needs, we choose our own path. I don't base my behavior on lions, I brought the example to show you the animal cruelty.

I don't understand. I hear meat-eaters such as yourself defend their actions by saying "nature is cruel, therefore what's wrong with us being cruel" ; but then the same people say "but we're so much better than nature". Which is it?

Unlike an animal, if we're born with the ability to have a conscience, why not to use it?

But seriously if you adore animals so much, just go live in the wild.

Allow me to flip that idea:

If you adore meat so much, just go chase down your next meal, without benefit of gun or vehicle. Try to kill an adult steer using only your own strength, no weapons. Try to tear off bits of meat without claws or sharp teeth. Try to digest the uncooked flesh of a pig without falling sick. The point: meat in our diet today is an unnatural addition.

sorry that just cracked me up and you don't see the irony in this? You're trying to prove how animals are smart, by showing how we taught them to do things we want for our entertainment..

Nobody taught the dolphin that gulls were to be caught, how to catch them, where to keep the bait, or how to teach the other dolphins in the tank this behavior. I think it's amazing they didn't gobble down their whole fish meal in the first place, but rather saved it for a non-instinctual future plan.

A web page about one tank of dolphins doing it:
“and so gull baiting has become a hot game among dolphins”*|*ArsGeek

And another neat dolphin story:
Do Dolphins Have a Sense of the Future? -A Galaxy Classic


In recognition, we respect dolphins by killing them and throwing away the dead bodies like trash.

In the rush to get cheaper fish, 6 million dolphins have died as "by-catch" just from tuna fishing alone, since fishermen went to large nets in the 1950s.
The Tuna-Dolphin Issue - SWFSC



Even worse, some fishermen are so greedy they (erroneously) think that by killing dolphins, it means more fish for them. So dolphins are killed en masse and their bodies discarded or used as cheap bait.
CSI Whales Alive! Vol. XVI No. 4 Dolphins Killed in Brazil; You Can Help Stop It
Fisheries Factsheet | The Humane Society of the United States

Intentionally snaring a dolphin, then spearing it to death:


My apologies for the somewhat graphic nature of this story and accompanying photos of mass slaughter of dolphins. I lack the ability to adequately describe the extent to which humans violently destroy all life around them. No this pic is not photoshopped.

I ask myself if we're so superior to animals, why do we do these things? Why doesn't humankind respect life?

nuclear weapons also mean that next time a huge meteor comes crushing into earth we can protect ourselves and prevent another mass extinction event, like the one that wiped out the dinosaurs.

That's not real life. That's a plot to a Hollywood movie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(film)