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Old 01-04-2009, 06:20 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I agree about how most of PUA material reads, but want to point out a few things...

The stuff about techniques, marketing, NLP, persuasion, etc. is exactly like books that women read, the wording's just a little different. How is "How to make a man fall in love with you" (name of a book!) or "The Rules" or "Why Men Marry Bitches" any different?

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advice like fake it till you make it - these ambiguus things mean a guy should pretend that he is something he isnt.
"Fake it til you make it" usually doesn't mean pretend to be a suave tango instructor when you're a shy engineer.

It generally means, in "self help" books, to throw yourself into a situation even if you're scared and pretend you're confident. After a while, you'll really be confident.

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be dominant, uncontrollable, unpredictable blah blah blah
Same advice given by women's dating books, except they say to pretend one is *not* dominant. And again, pretend. "The Rules" isn't about being submissive, it's about "topping from the bottom" and letting the other peson THINK they're in charge, while the woman is actually in charge.

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dont be yourself. dont ask women for advice
Same as one of "The Rules" which is not to let a man be a woman's therapist.

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dont be logical
I'll have to see that in context.

The women's version of PUA (which tends to be focused around either getting men to spend money, or getting men to commit) isn't any less destructive, IMHO. We need to come to an understanding of the sexes actually being human beings.

But I'm still glad to see that men actually are interested in learning how to date. It's about time for that. Someone had to tell Average Joe Schlump that he couldn't just show up on a woman's doorstep without washing his hair in three days. And men really needed a refresher course in asking women out. Gen X was really a bad dating place. Hopefully the next generation of guys is more proactive.
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