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Change42008 · 01-04-2009, 03:38 PM

my opnion is that people who need to read pua material generally havent been good that socially with women.

apart from people teaching inner game stuff, people who teach "how to" do this and how to do that, and list countless methods and techniques - these people are simply experts in marketing, nlp, persuasion and psychology. e.g. eben pagan.

these people have created huge belief systems as a way of marketing. none of these belief systems are necessarily true. look at the ideas and language of eben pagan aka david d'angelo in this article Interview With Eben Pagan (David DeAngelo) From Double Your Dating

and compare it to his book double your dating. his first ebook - he seems like two completely different people, because his book is based all on marketing.

my take is, like anything, its all about confidence. pua has a lot of bad advice in it, which confuses people and causes them to stay in there and never get out. like the op says it can empty a guy out of life.

advice like fake it till you make it - these ambiguus things mean a guy should pretend that he is something he isnt.
be dominant, uncontrollable, unpredictable blah blah blah
dont be yourself. dont ask women for advice
dont be logical
in population there are majority wussys and a few attractive bad men.

these are fundamentals of the community. they try to warp your logic and rational. the advice that is good is dont be too needy on peoples reactons.

but by mixing the two you can make people worse - for example by categorising men into two things, you automatically assume that you are a wussy or afc or whatever. you then are constantly trying to be the "attractive" person (as you can see this marketing works on your ego); it makes you feel attractive - although this confidence doesnt come from within, or from experience; it comes from these beliefs - that you believe because you are assuming that this PUA knows these things, and that he is an expert at picking up women. you then do the contrary to not being needy - you become more needy - trying to be this "attractive" man by "faking it till you make it". the whole process acts like a drug, the high being the confidence, and the reactions from women which in my experience i found to be empty.

i came into this community with no confidence with women. however im left with no self acceptance either, by thinking in these black and white terms. iv skipped the step of self acceptance, that its ok not to be able to be confident around women. the community just encourages you to beat yourself up most of the time. or encourages you to chase an outcome - by making you believe that this is what women want. its all marketing. its where the money lies.

01-04-2009, 03:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
Change42008 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 23	my opnion is that people who need to read pua material generally havent been good that socially with women. apart from people teaching inner game stuff, people who teach "how to" do this and how to do that, and list countless methods and techniques - these people are simply experts in marketing, nlp, persuasion and psychology. e.g. eben pagan. these people have created huge belief systems as a way of marketing. none of these belief systems are necessarily true. look at the ideas and language of eben pagan aka david d'angelo in this article Interview With Eben Pagan (David DeAngelo) From Double Your Dating and compare it to his book double your dating. his first ebook - he seems like two completely different people, because his book is based all on marketing. my take is, like anything, its all about confidence. pua has a lot of bad advice in it, which confuses people and causes them to stay in there and never get out. like the op says it can empty a guy out of life. advice like fake it till you make it - these ambiguus things mean a guy should pretend that he is something he isnt. be dominant, uncontrollable, unpredictable blah blah blah dont be yourself. dont ask women for advice dont be logical in population there are majority wussys and a few attractive bad men. these are fundamentals of the community. they try to warp your logic and rational. the advice that is good is dont be too needy on peoples reactons. but by mixing the two you can make people worse - for example by categorising men into two things, you automatically assume that you are a wussy or afc or whatever. you then are constantly trying to be the "attractive" person (as you can see this marketing works on your ego); it makes you feel attractive - although this confidence doesnt come from within, or from experience; it comes from these beliefs - that you believe because you are assuming that this PUA knows these things, and that he is an expert at picking up women. you then do the contrary to not being needy - you become more needy - trying to be this "attractive" man by "faking it till you make it". the whole process acts like a drug, the high being the confidence, and the reactions from women which in my experience i found to be empty. i came into this community with no confidence with women. however im left with no self acceptance either, by thinking in these black and white terms. iv skipped the step of self acceptance, that its ok not to be able to be confident around women. the community just encourages you to beat yourself up most of the time. or encourages you to chase an outcome - by making you believe that this is what women want. its all marketing. its where the money lies.