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Old 12-31-2006, 09:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
lorenzo
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Originally Posted by Joshiepoo3000 View Post
subjective reality are perceptions, ideas, thoughts, imagination. Subjective reality and objective reality are two totally different things. Subjective reality does not actually exist because it does not fit the definition of the verb to exist. An Oxford dictionary defines "to exist" as to have a place in objective reality. Subjective reality does not "exist" because it does not exist within space. To actually exist you have to have a place in time AND space. Subjective exists in time, but not in space. Therefor it does not actually exist. It has it's own thread of existence. Everyone can agree that our imagination is not real. If it is not real, then it doesn't exist. Imagination is in subjective reality, thus it does not exist. Subjective reality is not based on ones perceptions but it "is" perception. Our perceptions are subjective reality. Subjective reality does not effect objective reality. Art and writing is a transformation from subjective reality to objective reality. The mind and the brain are two different things in that the brain is objective reality and the mind is subjective reality. Subjective reality is not based on what you "know." If you are in total darkness and you stumble over a chair and are knocked unconcious. Then someone removes that chair. You will not know what tripped you when you regained conciousness. That does not mean the chair never existed or that it didn't trip you, because you didn't know. It only means you didn't know. If a tree falls in the woods and you didn't hear it, the tree fell. If an asteroid comes and kills everyone while our backs are turned, we are still dead. Spain exists whether you know it or not. Time exists whether we believe it or not. Nothing can move without time. Time is a factor of objective reality. Objective reality is existence whether we believe it or not. Whether we believe it or not is subjective reality.
This is how most people view reality; I don't personally think this as "wrong", since there is no right or wrong. There are only points of view. I just think that it is a limiting and very partial way of seeing reality. In fact, seeing reality only from this point of view is like observing a 3D object only from one side. It doesn't give you the whole picture, and it is not effective in all (most, if you ask me) situations.

The explanation you provided makes some basic assumptions, and assumptions are where other truths hide.

Think it this way: what is "space"? Isn't space something that you perceive with your senses and something that has a projection in your mind? And isn't that projection the only think that exists of space for you? How can you tell that a chair is in space or if it is only in your mind?

There are people that see things that other people don't see (call them hallucinations). For these people the "hallucinations" they are having, or the reality they are experiencing, are as real as the reality your perceive. Who is to judge what's in space and what's in the mind? It's ALL subjective. For me reality, hallucinations, time, illusions, thoughts, objects, and everything else are all made out of the same substance, that is the world in my mind.

Space is as much as an illusion as a dream or as time. Time doesn't exists, in fact the only moment you live is NOW; everything else is only a memory (which dwells in the mind) or a plan (which also dwells in the mind). It all depends on the point of view you decide to take.

For these reasons, everything is an illusion, and all illusions are real. Don't let definitions of the word "exist" make up your mind about concepts that have a wider scope. Words have been defined by people, and definitions change all the time, but that doesn't change the concepts. When definitions change, only description change, not the object of the descriptions.

As an experiment, try the "Visual Reality Projection Comparison" exercise described here: Visualization, a forge of reality

My suggestion for personal effectiveness is: stand on multiple points of view, and observe your world from many angles. It will open up many new possibilities.

Something to think about.

Last edited by lorenzo; 12-31-2006 at 10:49 PM.
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