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Old 10-31-2008, 10:12 AM   #84 (permalink)
Acting Like Godot
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A striking example of John's fear. I had mentioned a paranormal phenomenon, and an ongoing scientific experiment by doctors at 25 US and UK hospitals to study that phenomemon. It wasn't even about LOA.

Since the experiment is still ongoing, I have no idea what the results will be. Neither did the news report give a lot of detail about the proposed methodology. However, even before the study is concluded, John already says that the study is flawed:

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Besides, I'll make a prediction. When the study is finished, it won't demonstrate that people having NDEs can see pictures up at a height no-one can from floor level. Furthermore, it clearly cannnot demonstrate that scientifically according to strict protocols, unless I'm unaware of some very clever details of security. The experimental conditions leave a lot of room for people cheating. I haven't studied it in detail, but I'm sure one of the objections will be that it is in no way a double-blind controlled trial, on which our reasonably confident knowledge of the world rests.
So this again is another example of the black swan fallacy in John's mind.

(1) "NO swans are black."
(2) "Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT try to observe any swans!"
(3) "Why? Because even if you see a black one, it ISN'T really black!
(4) "It must be because you didn't follow strict protocols in a double-blind controlled trial, that you WRONGLY perceived a black swan. Or else ... you must have CHEATED!"

Isn't it amazing? Even BEFORE the study is done, even before ANY results are reported, John talks about the doctors and scientists cheating.

It's like you're about to take an exam, you haven't even started looking at the questions yet, and this guy suddenly comes along and says, "You're cheating! You're cheating!"

Why are you so afraid of science, John? Do try to refrain from being so irrational.

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