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Originally Posted by lasti  I think: We chose to incarnate, we chose our lessons and so we can chose to end our lifes, no matter what. We're responsible for what we do and that's it.
What if you run from your lessons?
Well, that's your choice - you don't have to learn anything here.
I have to say that I made the biggest growing experiences when I enjoyed my life, because then I could consciously chose to learn.
I don't want to live a life that has not the primary aim to bring joy to myself and to the world. |
i don't know if we really "choose" to incarnate. It's certainly a plausibility, but if so, we aren't given any objective proof of the matter. All we have is faith or belief. What a lot of people express here as "truth" really has no more validity than a whacko fundamentalist saying gays are all going to hell. Perhaps to them it's "true". Perhaps God, or "guides" really do speak to them in a way they can objectively verify. How would I know? All I know for certain is that such entities are usually absent to me, or they are very, very quiet. I don't see this as a negative thing, but rather a sign that they trust me to make decisions in life on my own, without excessive guidance. I'm receptive to any messages from the "ether", but the ones I do get are very vague, mysterious and open ended compared to the concrete "rules" other people seem to get (or claim to get but really make up; how would I know?). There can't be a "right" or "wrong" answer to suicide to glean from the messages I get.
The general perception that suicide is "wrong" only comes from OTHER PEOPLE, not any higher spiritual entity. There are myriad things that would explain this, but I believe it all comes down to the basic fact that people are alive, thus it must be "good". It's simple self interest. Seeing others kill themselves is an affront to this idea; that it's better to be alive than dead. It's easier to stick with denial than to change deep seeded beliefs. So rather than question what makes people prefer death to life, people just revert to incessant shaming towards the whole practice of ending ones life (irregardless of circumstance). There is no greater social motivator than shame. Most people would rather die than experience too much of it. Talk about a negative feedback loop!
I think to be against suicide is to take a very authoritarian view towards existence. It's basically saying that you do not own your life, and you have no right to do with it what you want. Yes, ending your life could effect others, but not in all cases. What if the effect on others is not your responsibility? A parent who decides to have a child CHOOSES to bring this new life into the world, and invest a large part of their existence in this child. The child does not have a choice. A parent who commits suicide is being selfish, if they leave the child who depends on them. But the child who commits suicide, thus harming the parent? That's very different. The child did not ask to be born, and did not ask to have the responsibility of caring for their parents well being. It was FORCED upon them, by the actions of the world.
Sure, you can try and justify social convention via some "past-life-we-choose-our-existence-and-parents-thus-we-are-responsible" philosophy. This might be easier for those who have a hard time thinking for themselves, and would rather be told by others what is true. Hell, it might even be the truth, but it's not the reality we (or "I" personally) have been presented with. When it comes down to it, I have to make decisions based on what reality "is", not what it "might be" or what others tell me it might be. Based on this, I see no objective reason to be against suicide. Based on what I know about it on earth, I reject an authoritarian view of existence. I believe my life belongs to me. No other person or higher level entity can tell me what to do with it, including not end it. If there is a price to pay in the next world for this stance, so be it. I did the best I could here, and if that's not good enough for the PTB in the ether, than I'm not good enough for them. End of story.
disclaimer; I'm not suicidal so nobody jump to conclusions. But I'm aware circumstances can change and I like to be psychologically prepared.
disclaimer 2; i realize my view on this topic is not popular with some people. it is what it is, so don't waste your breath arguing me. I won't change my stance. I'm merely trying to provide an alternative viewpoint to the onslaught of knee-jerk, thoughtless (ie, people don't think about it, for good reason as under analysis it doesn't hold up) concepts that "suicide is bad". It's only bad if you decide it's bad, not if somebody else tells you it is. You're life belongs to "you", and unless you want to cede that power to others (many prefer this), you can do what you want with it.