Originally Posted by Mew3692002
I do agree with Mato Kinze that it depends on your attitude to each situation that depends on how much you learn from it. Although, to me, you don't really need to suffer to learn lessons, you could learn more from being in a state of peace and develop way more than if you were in a near constant state of suffering and non-enjoyment. In my experience, there are plenty of people that have committed suicide and are perfectly happy on the other side, they weren't punished (only if they punished themselves to what they did to their friends and family that mourned their lost life), so I think suicide isn't the answer, but if a person really feels like that is their last hope, then I wouldn't disagree with committing such an act. You don't have to go through pain and suffering to learn lessons, you could more easily learn the lesson or lessons from a state of happiness and joy than you could from a low state of boredom and suffering.
Just my $100.
But the key is to learn
the lesson. In most instances (and I have yet to personally experience a suicide that doesn't support this) those that chose suicide did so to "escape" the lesson - Not learn it.
You could learn that fire was hot by being told by everyone that it was over and over again over years and years - and MAYBE
you'd truly believe it. OR you could stick your hand in once. Either way, the lesson is learned. One could argue that if learning the lesson is the solely desired result, sticking your hand in is definitley the surest way to cement the lesson.
Our Guides are not overly concerned with our comfort or "happiness". They are there to make sure we learn our lessons - the purpose for which we came here in the first place.
When I was 15, my stepfather would drink all night long and pass out on the sofa in the family room. I'd get up in the morning to get ready for school and he'd be all sprawled out with beer cans strewn all around the room.
No big deal - by itself.
Unfortunately, he also liked to play with guns. So not only would he drink all night, but he'd have five or six handguns in various stages of assembly and functionality.
I was 15 and knew what a gun was and how it worked and what to be careful of, so again - no big deal.
BUT... my four year-old sister did not know what a gun was, what it could do or how it worked.
So, the morning I came into the family room and saw my baby sister playing with a loaded .44 magnum, I realized that she needed to learn
How do you teach a 4 year-old what a gun is and what it can do?
I took her outside, took her favorite stuffed animal - the one she slept with every night and carried around with her like a security blanket - put it on the ground and told her, "Kiddo, THIS is a gun." I pointed it at the teddy bear and said to her, "This is what guns do," and I pulled the trigger.
The 145 grain, hollow point literally exploded the teddy bear and the noise from the gun had MY ears ringing for two days, I can only imagine what hers were like.
In this case, I NEEDED
my baby sister to understand immediately in a very visceral and REAL
sense what a gun is and what it does. I couldn't use words, I couldn't use reasoning, I couldn't just tell her it was a "no-no". There was far too much at stake for her to think anything
Did she like that lesson? Hell no. She cried for days because she didn't have her "Normy" anymore. Did I feel like **** because I'd had to do that her? You bet. But she and everyone else in my family was safer because she knew
that guns were very dangerous and could result in a terrible loss that couldn't be fixed.
Our Guides are in the same position with us. And sometimes, there are things that we need to get, and we need to get RIGHT NOW and get in a way that is unquestionable in its meaning. Those lessons are seldom "painless" or without "suffering".
If we choose to end the lesson by suicide, then we choose failure.