Originally Posted by missing
that's my thinking. Mato is painting with too broad a brush. The tendency to shame people who are considering suicide seems to me inhumane and not compassionate at all. These are people at the end of their rope and you want to kick them when they are down? I mean I expect that from more fundamentalist religions but not those who are supposedly more spiritually enlightened. Of course it's possible that all suicide is a mortal sin on the "other side" but if so than I seriously question whether or not I want to be a part of such a universe in anyway, if there is any choice in the matter. Suffering for the sake of suffering does not seem to me like a good way to achieve spiritual growth. I think if you are suffering so much you'd consider killing yourself it's a sign you are doing something really wrong. At which point fixing things in this life might be futile.
But that's just my .02.
Fair enough. You are free to feel and think whatever you want. But it's been my experience in dealing with the dead - both of their own choice and not - that I'm not painting with a broad brush at all.
We learn most from our pain and struggles - both as individuals and as a species. I have sat at the bedsides of those who were dying. I've watched as they've realized that their tasks were done here. I've also watched people fight for every last breath because they weren't.
I've crossed over spirits who were so heart-broken and anguished that I can't express in words the level of despair they've felt. And I've failed to break through the shell of hate an anger that enshrouded others to the point where they couldn't even accept that there could be something beyond their own hurt.
Almost universally - again "in my experience" - those who take their own lives out of shame, guilt or despair have such low vibrational states that they are unable to continue their journey alone without help.
That being said, I also watched people throw themselves out of the windows of the World Trade Center after the planes struck them to escape the flames and smoke. I have gone there and sought out those souls. I did not find them. This tells me that there are cases in which we DO have a choice in how we die if it's the time for us to do so. And I believe that our Guides, Angels and Allies are there for us when we make that decision.