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Old 09-07-2008, 02:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Brutha View Post
Talking about the properties of some object is something different than talking about how that object affects you.
Talking about how awesome, amazing, cool an object or non-object is closely related to describing how it affects you. If I say that I think that Iron Maiden is amazing, then I am talking directly about how it affects me. If I get defensive over it and start to argue with someone who hates Iron Maiden (go take a look at youtube comments), then it is usually because of some need I have to beleive that their music is in some way superior/special. Even if it would be because of some conviction that I really believed that their music is superior, my motivation for trying to prove that they are great would always be because I wanted some pleasurable feeling down the line because of that action. It could even be that I just enjoyed the process of trying to prove the objectivity of it.

Even if you don't go in to great detail: "listening to that music makes me feel a warm and fuzzy sensation in my tummy..." you are still talking about how it affects you.

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Originally Posted by Brutha View Post
I also don't think that happieness is my prime motivation. It's nice to have and being more happy usually increase your effectiveness but it isn't my end goal.
Than what is your prime motivator? It may not be your prime motivator in the sense that you use it as some carrot on a stick if that's what you mean, but I think that it is anyones goal - the ultimate, underlying goal. "Happiness" the way I'm talking about it is defined in the OP as:

"... being an umbrella-term for all desireable feelings and emotions."

If you want to be more effective in something it could be because:

1. You want more time to do something else than that.
2. You need to be effective to accomplish everything that is on your timetable.
3. Many more reasons. I don't have the sufficient creativity right now.

Whatever your reason is, I would dare say that the fundamental underlying thing that you want is some kind of pleasure - it doesn't take much introspection regarding to your actions and motivations to be able to figure that one out. It seems abit redundant to state this, because it seems so obvious to me. Maybe it is obvious to everyone else, maybe it's that people lay into statements meanings different than mine.
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