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Old 09-03-2008, 03:32 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Maguru:

I'm sure you will agree you are indeed not perfect. I'm sure you have made mistakes, or have done things you wish you hadn't. I'm sure you have been tempted to do something you believed to be wrong. I'm sure you have lied, hated, judged. If you've done any of these, you are not perfect.

Further, if there is a God, I believe He would have His own standards of morality. Perfection would be in comparison to those standards.

Everyone is offended from time to time. Maybe it shows something about ourselves that we are offended, or maybe it is just because, as I said, no one is perfect.

I also think everyone judges, and is something we all try not to do. You speak of it above like it is some novel concept to you, and you have no idea why anyone has trouble with it, but I think it is a universal concept and vice.

mark7, just to remark on one of your points:

I think the reason God refers to Himself as "Us" is because of the trinity. At least, that's the explanation I've heard for it.

ALG: I disagree. I think the whole thing with Jesus being God might help Him with some of these miracles. I think it's pretty clear that if He is God, He could do things that we cannot. He was both God and man, so had the abilities of both God and man.
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