[Parthon]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

See my previous post. Why isn't there an objective truth?

Hmmm, that's a tricky one. It could be because one objective truth would limit the amount of experiences humanity could have. If maximum experience is what the universe is for, having just one objective truth goes against that ideal.

Why there can't be one set of provable objective beliefs could be because they can't be proved by our current level of understanding. I would also say that science can't really prove anything that's not mathematically calculable. If you tried to use science to prove that a butterfly exists, you'd have a hard time of it.

Perhaps the one universal truth is that there is no universal truth. Nice contradictory idea though.

Wait, you took your beliefs from reading from a book, didn't you?

Yup, it's the creation myth from Demon: The Fallen, a tabletop RPG from White Wolf Publishing.

I wonder whether you also dislike science since it breaks down the universe into laws and theories. Human nature is to try to make sense of our universe, which is what both science and religion try to do.

It's not the action I have problems with, it's the purpose and results. Science tends to discover in order to expand what humans know and can do, and there's definately freedom in that. Scientists who refuse to believe in new information are not real scientists in my eyes, because science happens in experimentation and being curious, not in debunking myths and being skeptical. If we believed those skeptics - that humans could never fly, or that electricity isn't real, where would we be today?

Most religions are limiting paradigms. They may start off as a reflection on reality, but even when they are they are often soon warped into something else. They are often about limiting freedom to achieve some particular agenda.

As for Laws, I think they are a good idea in theory, but sometimes a bad idea in execution. It's an oxymoron that there's more possibility in restrictions than there are in total freedom. What a structured and law abiding society can achieve is so much more than another society without this structure, and this of course leads to new experiences.

There are some parts of religion I like though, like the Ten Commandments from many faiths. If you view them as a guideline to live life by, then you can see your life will be improved just by follow them. If everyone followed them, there would be less need for all the police the world has, and peace would be an option for the world.

By the way, I'm not attacking your beliefs. Simply trying to delve a little deeper into it and why you believe in it.

I understand.

Even though I read them in a book to begin with, I questioned and sculpted them for years. I'd be the last person to stand up and say they are true, but for me, I can't see how they can't be true.