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Originally Posted by Angela  TTT, by focusing on eliminating something, you are powerfully contributing to its continued existence. So your purpose of getting rid of the state just adds more existence of the state -- the opposite of what you are up to. Not to mention that negative intentions aren't too generally inspiring -- not a terribly effective way to get people on board with your plans.
If there was no state, what WOULD there be that would inspire you? What would you be going towards if you were eliminating the state?
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That's an interesting thought that I've considered in the past, but just ignored. Maybe a better purpose would be to create liberty. I think this is more in tune with most purposes I've seen, because most purposes I've seen don't have an actual end.
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Originally Posted by Apollonia Well, I can understand why you'd want to get rid of the state, but, anarchy has always seemed a bit extreme to me. I also don't see how it could last long. If everyone was free to do as they wished, certain people, groups, tribes, marauding thugs would likely end up banding together and amassing a lot of power and creating new states just through brute force methods (similar to the Vikings or any other conquerors). Warfare would likely become even more common, and possibly feudal systems complete with lords and serfs would arise again, and who knows what other historical monstrosities (like religious inquisitions, etc.) might run amok again.
I think after a period of anarchy, other oppressive states, tyrants, etc. would almost inevitably arise, and many people might end up being subjected to more and worse coercion under worse systems than they are presently under the rule of relatively nice democratic states, which at least make attempts at balances of power, and at least pay lip service to ideals of freedom, fairness, etc.
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That's fine that you think that. Most people when presented with the idea of anarcho-capitalism think of chaos, which is what the media has presented as the definition of anarchy. Actually, I agree that if I immediately got rid of the government right now, it would be pointless and go back to something along the lines of what you're saying, because people would call for a new state. If all a slave knows of is slavery, that's all he can conceptualize. I think this makes an even bigger case for my purpose being to create liberty, rather than destroy the state.
Thanks everyone.