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Old 08-27-2008, 09:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Bruce,

Thanks for the kind words. Your points became much more clear as the discussion went on. To keep up the trend of honesty, I'll say I did have quite a difficult time seeing where you were coming from in the beginning. I just knew it served no purpose to react to that so I did my best not to. Reread and you'll see where I started to slip up although in general I did a reasonable job of being unreactive...
You certainly did more than a reasonable job. Taking into account my experience with others, you're probably in the top tier in terms of "people who actually consider things Bruce says before outright dismissing them and saying not-kind things."

I'm not complaining!

You'll note that you're getting a more natural, more easy-going me in these responses because I feel I can be myself without you taking me seriously and super-reacting every time I say something. This is good; it makes for more authentic, interesting, and especially more fun interaction.

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The fact that both wulph and I had some work to do to understand you may be something for you to maximise going forward. It could also be an artifact of this particular conversation, but I'm sure you have a good handle on this already.
I need to build long-term relationships with people for communication to be most effective. My specificity causes me to be widely misunderstood, but in the right conditions, it also allows for extreme effectiveness (relative to usual effectiveness levels; everyone is capable of it, but few embrace it, hence the relatively non-extreme levels of effectiveness).

But yeah, I do have a good handle on this. What I'm starting to get used to now is embracing the notion of providing value to others. I'm already pretty intuitive, but when I write posts that feel right, I seem to get really positive feedback about them. I must be tapping into some sort of need, or something, since I don't get responses like that usually--only since I've been embracing this new position of mine and using my intuitive abilities I developed the last few months from playing games. Yes, that's right, from playing games. Ha!

And technically the term I'd use for what you described would be "optimise." "Maximise" describes usage of the trait, not the practice of optimisation. (See what I did there? Maximiser talent + the picky correction = exactly what a Maximiser would do. Although that was deliberate--and the optimise part was true! Heh.)

I'm *very* curious to further explore this phenomenon, partly because it's interesting, partly becuase it's inherently enjoyable. Sign me up for lots more interaction and writing like this; it's good fun and I'm all for it. Maybe I should just interact with everyone like this, but I find it tends to cause people to just whine a lot, heh. Maybe I should do as Steve does and acknowledge that they're infected with the whininess-disease and continue serving as an example of what you can be like if you don't complain all the time. Hmmm.

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Finally, I'll plug tools one more time and say that had it not been for the course, I probably would have gotten a bit more antagonistic. If you look at my post history I started writing a reasonable amount and then stopped all of a sudden. The stop came because i realized I was just taking issue with a lot of people's thoughts and I couldn't honestly tell myself why that was productive or important. I think I probably would have soldiered on regardless if I wasn't directing more awareness towards the issue. ..And I probably directed more awareness towards it because of the daily work I was doing in Tools.

Anyhow, wulph started it too so perhaps he'll give his opinion on it at some point down the road. I should probably give it a rest for a while...

Have a great day and thanks for the discussion.
Thanks, I will. You seem to be having a good one already.

Feel free to share more of your experiences about ToolsToLife.

I'd be curious to know what exactly content the 90-day course covers, and why it's so good.

I'm partly procrastinating on applying it since, well, I'm super-picky at what I apply-especially "when" I apply it--and am busy allocating mindshare to some other projects. I did say I'd at least consider considering to try it, and I've done that, so it has a potential chance at being scoped out if I feel so inclined (I'm big on intuition; if I'm not feeling something, I usually don't do it. Works for me).

In general, when you want somebody to try something, I find it's best to explain the benefits instead of telling them that they should do it or speaking to them with the subtext of "you should do this." When I'm more open about sharing how beneficial something has been to me instead of trying to preach it to them like a zealous newly-converted enthusiast (not saying you're doing that, but I do it often, heh), you tend to reach the person as opposed to hitting their "why is this person trying to get me to do something" shield.

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Though I am still curious why I never got a one liner from Steve on this thread re: potential contact with Devlyn Steele. Bueler?
Heh, probably because I already responded. I'm practically a walking Steve-encyclopaedia, so to explain, Steve being the super-efficient guy he is generally likes to use his time wisely, so in cases where a response isn't needed, especially when I've come in and wrote pages and pages, he will general channel his efforts elsewhere (at least, those are my observations; Steve can speak for himself).

Maybe Steve saw your thread when he was feeling empty and motivation-less and exclaimed "why bother?" when he saw this thread. (You have to have read the post I linked to to understand that reference.)
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