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Old 08-27-2008, 04:09 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I'm not the one saying I can remember things without my body.
Where are you when you remember things?
I am wherever my awareness or consciousness is. If it is not in my body, I am not in my body, though my body may be fully well and functioning as it should.

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Ok, where is this consciousness held now in the living body? Is consciousness a separate entity from the body? Can or does it exist independently?
Consciousness is not held in the body, yes and yes, IMO.

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If so why aren't we aware when we are unconscious?
I have to try to understand what you are saying here, I am a bit slow...What you are saying is that if consciousness were independent of the body, we would be conscious when we are unconscious, for example, from some sort of accident, is this right?

Well, I don't know that, honestly, but why do you ask that question instead of how I can close my eyes and move my mind to something that doesn't exist in my immediate external surroundings and be there consciously in my mind despite the fact that my body is still in the same geographical location and doesn't move. If body and awareness were dependent, wouldn't your body go wherever you put your consciousness as much as you indicate that your mind goes where your body goes if you are in an accident that renders you unconscious (if that's what you mean)? Incidentally, even in such a situation, your body has not gone anywhere, it still remains wherever it was thrown after it was struck by a car. What goes away from your body is your awareness. Where does it go? I don't know...

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I believe consciousness is a natural phenomena born of humanity and existing only within humanity. The whole human-being (mind, body, feelings) contain the whole consciousness.
That explains my confusion about what you are saying then I guess...at least partly.
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