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Originally Posted by Markus74  Adrienne:
I get the point you're trying to make and I can see why you chose to believe this.
But I can't. Especially since not everyone who goes through such atrocities a. survives and b. is stronger/wiser afterwards. This may be the case for some, but most will be more or less 'damaged'. A lot of people who had to endure this also tend to act later like this on others (consciously or subconsciously).
For me a theory has to be valid, or make sense, for everyone and every situation. And not just for isolated cases. That's also why I cannot believe in any of the religions. Ok, they're ways to cope with the craziness and the injustices of Life, but they don't answer everything in a coherent way. At least not for me.
But don't get me wrong: I wish that Life was more simple and more beautiful for everyone. I don't hate Life or the people. As for this forum: Consider me the Devil's advocate in here against whom you can sharpen your theories!  |
And I get the point that it can’t be proven. I can’t prove mine anymore then you can prove yours. Just like a catholic can’t prove god exist and an atheist can’t prove she doesn’t.
Devils advocates are good things because it makes you reevaluate your position and think in ways that you might not have.
JBRU handled the theory section so i am leaving that alone. Oddly enough, i agree with both of you. Markus - thinks theories always work if they are accurate and I agree... and JBRU i think then when a theory does not work, its because we don’t truly understand it. We see symptoms and the fallout of particular things set in motion but we fail to see what set it in motion, therefore our theories don’t always work.
I think our understanding in many areas can be explained with this analogy. Say all we see is a foot (like we are intelligent bacteria living on a foot). An if by magic this foot manages to move. Toes move, the foot seems to just leap around all over place with no real direction or anything. In early human development we would call this magic and incorporate it into our myths and stories. As science gets better and people say, its not magic but something we can explain, theories are produced. People notice the foot always start moving around 5am and you can predict the probability that the foot will move between certain times. As time goes by, we get better at predicting. We might manage to see when a certain part of a foot get hard (like a toe) its about to curl etc, we might be able to see this thing way in the sky (a knee) that when it begins to bend, we will all be thrown around. They might make all sorts of theories saying how this works, and why this works and that there are plates (muscles) under the land (skin) the movement effects us (the bacteria) Tons of theories are played out as to how does this foot we live on act, why does it do what it does, etc.
The bacteria like us, keep seeing symptoms (toes curl, foot moves, gets wet etc) and try and come up with answers without knowing there is an intelligent life moving stuff around for them. We see symptoms all the time, everything we see, earthquakes, weather, gravity, but because we don’t understand the fundamental idea that is under it, so we never quite ‘get’ it.
I am not saying there is an intelligent life moving us around, I am just showing how a bacterium might jump to some very wrong conclusions about us.
I agree that that is a major failing in religion as well. But I think organized religion has many other issues as well not just that they don’t make sense
but that is best saved for a different thread.
I don’t wish life was more simple. I love it the way it is. Too simple would be boring. However, I do wish life was more beautiful for everyone, so I work on that everyday.
Adrienne