There ya go Eric. I can always side with empowerment as long as your not hurting other people.
As an example of what im talking about some people might call pick up artists dark workers. However, as time has gone on pick up has evolved into the realization that to be a great pick up artist you dont have to manipulate or get woman to do anything they dont want to do (although you can use highly manipulative/destructive techniques to great success in order to get laid. The female will later regret it though).
The realization has revolved around two main points.
1. Woman love penis. The idea that woman love sex as much as men is something mainstream society has tried to surpress as much as possible. Even so a much as to make it so woman will do everything in their power to avoid being labeled as a slut even if they are 'promiscous',
2. You (the seducer) are giving the woman a GIFT. Anotherwords a great pickup artist has a huge belief in himself and his value as a lover and as a source of positive emotion in woman. The idea is to screen out woman that are looking for negative emotion or drama and you will find an abundance of woman who want to feel positive emotion. By creating this positive emotion with your presence and rewarding them for creating positive emotions in you (with touch etc.) you create a feedback loop of arousal and attraction called sexual tension which they will relieve in one of three ways. 1. Lets just be friends 2. Anti slut defense, attempting to create jealousy or some sort of other drama, last minute resistance etc. 3. having sex with you.
The goal of the pickup artist is to create the right conditions for her to choose the third choice, which if she is aroused she already wants. It's all about logistics, social approval etc from the point she feels sexual tension.
These ideas are not negative or self absorbed! Sex is a great pleasure for the female and you are helping her enjoy it without feeling regret or embarassment. However to the larger society they are considered to be "darkworking" if mentioned explicitely.
I mean Steve has gone toward the direction of seeing darkworkers as more of a cancer to society in his recent post than a legitimate path of empowerment.
Maybe we should abandon the labels of lightworker and darkworker altogether and switch to a more expansive approach. I think you can be polarized as either good or evil. and then instead of lightworker vs. darkworker labels I think it's more like Inward worker and Outward worker. An inward worker is more concerned with personal power and self development for his own purposes mainly tending to be concerned with himself and his life. An outward worker wants to serve others and is more concerned about for instance what he can do for his country, rather than what his country can do for him ;-). A good polarized outward worker will starve himself for 40 days like ghandi if he/she believes it will change the world for the better.
A good polarized inward worker will start to treat people better around him because he sees they react better to him, and he simply likes making people feel good. He will start a business because he wants money so he can be independent and have abundance in his life, and it feels great to offer a service or product that other people value.
I'm sure you can imagine what the evil versions of both of these will do. Let's just say an evil outward worker will prob. do a lot of damage to the world around him, if not physically than to the hearts and souls of people he interacts with. An evil inward worker will prolly do things like get heavily involved with drugs because they make him feel good not giving a damn about the pain it causes his friends and family, and then of course doing other evil things to support this habit. Of course it may not be drugs that get him going. It might manipulating woman by lieing to them saying he loves them and then have sex with them, beating them etc.
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