I love this post, wolfgang.
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Originally Posted by wolfgang  Thanks for the Wilber pulls. I have his "No Boundary" book that is all about how we have a definition of self that sets up the illusion that we are separate. However I haven't been able to keep up with his newer stuff that seems heady or something for me. But the summary you put in your post was what I'd expect him to say. |
Me too - I loved No Boundary and thought he was just the most wonderful philosopher alive. I saw it more generally, that maybe there's no boundary anywhere, but it also implies our oneness with All. Then I read some later stuff and couldn't believe it was the same person. For one thing, it was crammed full of so many boundaries - different levels of spiritual awakening and such. I guess it could be that they are relatively real boundaries or something. It was another little crack in my religious armour. I have a critique of him I've just started that says he has lost the plot. Keep meaning to get back to it. Someone at JREF pulled it for me.
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So this is the real secret. The you of being one with everything, having no boundary, is where creation comes from. That it's not our ordinary local mind type consciousness. That's why some will say to ask, in the IM/LoA way you need to go into alpha (a non-ordinary state). And then, to really be a IMer one has to fully awaken to oneness or whatever that state is. And we are given glimpses of this state from time to time. But then who can exist there and see the light all the time? I think it's possible to be all and and individual - actually I have the wacky idea that we already are one with life, other wise we'd expire. Something in us at a cellular level already believes in life being whole.
I suppose one can call it bogus too. That there's no such state of consciousness - oneness. How does someone prove that? Is it an idea that is provable? Is it even definable? Is it so "not mind" that there's no language for it? That it requires one's whole being, not just thoughts to prove this. But it is only proved subjectively to one's self. But even then, it's not your normal objective scientific proof.
Why aren't more IMers talking about getting into that state - instead of trying to manifest $$ or something that they think will make there ego happier or be proof that there's something to it. Or talking about how to feel whole and have less fragments and projections of denied self "out there", or being able to purge habitual responses. Instead people latch onto something that make them think their ego self is able to ask for something to be given.
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Again I think you're on to something here. Maybe we are co-creators with the universe the more we give up our separate ego and live from the position of oneness. That means that $$$ is pointless and unavailable to people who are trying to manifest it. It exists for those who see that certain people don't have enough of it and are helping them get more, or whatever. I think you've nailed it with that distinction. I think it was what was on my mind, more vaguely, when I first found this forum - why are so many people going on about spiritual awareness and grasping for money like greedy swines?
It would be a funny thing if it turns out to be true. You - your small self - the ego that wants this and that and hates the other - has no power whatsoever to manifest anything other than its own suffering, by reinforcing its separateness from everyone and everything else. Cast your bread upon the waters, however...
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