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Originally Posted by puduman  When I first saw The Secret I was totally amazed. And this feeling lasted a while. Meanwhile I began to cast a critical eye on it. Not because the LOA did not work. Actually it was an important discovery for me to be personally responsible for my happiness. But I think The Secret and many LOA approaches missrepresent things. I personally prefer a Ken Wilber-like integral approach (as far as I know it yet). So I googled what he may think about The Secret. Google came up with a blog article on his site where a discussion between him and Julian Walker is summarized. I totally agree with what they say:
By the way: This is a great blog post by Julian Walker on The Secret. |
Thanks for the Wilber pulls. I have his "No Boundary" book that is all about how we have a definition of self that sets up the illusion that we are separate. However I haven't been able to keep up with his newer stuff that seems heady or something for me. But the summary you put in your post was what I'd expect him to say.
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Actually, you are creating the universe moment-to-moment, but it’s not the “you” that you think. According to the great contemplative traditions, every person has at least two “selves”: the finite, temporal, egoic self-sense, and the infinite, transcendental, unqualifiable Self, or I-AMness. Your Self, your I-AMness, is indeed giving rise to the entire radiant Kosmos in this and every moment, but The Secret teaches that your separate self has the power to personally manifest a new car, win the lottery, or cure cancer… and this simply isn’t how things work.
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So this is the real secret. The you of being one with everything, having no boundary, is where creation comes from. That it's not our ordinary local mind type consciousness. That's why some will say to ask, in the IM/LoA way you need to go into alpha (a non-ordinary state). And then, to really be a IMer one has to fully awaken to oneness or whatever that state is. And we are given glimpses of this state from time to time. But then who can exist there and see the light all the time? I think it's possible to be all and and individual - actually I have the wacky idea that we already are one with life, other wise we'd expire. Something in us at a cellular level already believes in life being whole.
I suppose one can call it bogus too. That there's no such state of consciousness - oneness. How does someone prove that? Is it an idea that is provable? Is it even definable? Is it so "not mind" that there's no language for it? That it requires one's whole being, not just thoughts to prove this. But it is only proved subjectively to one's self. But even then, it's not your normal objective scientific proof.
Why aren't more IMers talking about getting into that state - instead of trying to manifest $$ or something that they think will make there ego happier or be proof that there's something to it. Or talking about how to feel whole and have less fragments and projections of denied self "out there", or being able to purge habitual responses. Instead people latch onto something that make them think their ego self is able to ask for something to be given.