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NightSpirit · 06-29-2008, 02:51 PM

Hi,

I am also a Christian, from a Charismatic background. I think it's a different kind of faith than most of the people around here have experienced. My faith really is based more on what God has done in my life and the miracles I have seen than it is on pure faith or belief in words on a page.

That being said, I still have to have faith, the answers to my prayers are not always instantaneous. Sometimes I'm like the disciples that were in the storm and Jesus was asleep on the boat and I get scared and feel like I have to wake God up or that He doesn't care what's happening to me.

I was talking to a friend last night about all the miracles in the New Testament, of Jesus casting demons into the pigs and then walking through the crowd that couldn't touch Him when they wanted to throw Him off the cliff, of all the people raised from the dead by Jesus, Paul and those sent out at Matt 10:8, walking on water and through walls and breaking a few loaves and fishes to feed thousands with baskets left over, turning water into wine...you know, all that...and then people say He was a good man or we can be better by just doing as He said? Or that everything else that was reported about Him in the Bible is true except His words that there will be a final judgment? Huh.

I don't understand that. Either He was God's son or He was a fake and a liar. If His resurrection from the dead and ascension was a lie or a fairy tale of men then why is that we should we forgive our neighbors or do unto others as we would have them do unto us, considered true?

People around here are still thinking they can prove God exist or that to be God, He must first be understood by their puny human minds, when nothing else about this world or creation has been proven or seen by most people.

A God that I can reason out or that bows to me? I'm still trying to figure out what electricity was created from and why we didn't evolve to fly and swim underwater or have eyes in the back of our heads or venom in our teeth if we are truly the highest product of evolution only. How much longer is it going to take for rabbits to grow their own gardens or dogs to raise rabbits for food? Animals had as long as we did to figure these things out.

Birds are born knowing what to eat and how to gather and build nests and when to fly south out of what...reason or brainpower? Why have they stopped there and just not come inside and built a fire? Does anyone understand that? No, we study it and accept it. But then our search and longing for God is not the way He made us but a weakness from the fear of death or societal chaos?

We understands elements and atoms and the different combinations and speeds, that everything is constantly moving but we still don't know what all that is made of at the most microscopic level. And even if we did see it, we still didn't create it. Man has never created anything out of nothing, only manipulated what was already here. And then to say God doesn't exist because we as pitiful men, don't have "proof?" Or that God was the first cause and everything else was random, that we evolved to be better than God because we care about each other and He doesn't care? Weird.

I first had faith and then I received proof and that happens over and over in my life. "Those that come to God must believe that He is and that He is the rewarder of those that diligently seek Him", that He exists and that He cares. Why is that so difficult for smart people? Because they are smarter than God, if He exists at all?

Okay that's me. And yes, I need some more accountability in my life but I'm not sure it will fly around here because our belief system has the condition of belief and humility to God and that, logically speaking, must be false according to the smart people belief system.

06-29-2008, 02:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
NightSpirit Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 380	Hi, I am also a Christian, from a Charismatic background. I think it's a different kind of faith than most of the people around here have experienced. My faith really is based more on what God has done in my life and the miracles I have seen than it is on pure faith or belief in words on a page. That being said, I still have to have faith, the answers to my prayers are not always instantaneous. Sometimes I'm like the disciples that were in the storm and Jesus was asleep on the boat and I get scared and feel like I have to wake God up or that He doesn't care what's happening to me. I was talking to a friend last night about all the miracles in the New Testament, of Jesus casting demons into the pigs and then walking through the crowd that couldn't touch Him when they wanted to throw Him off the cliff, of all the people raised from the dead by Jesus, Paul and those sent out at Matt 10:8, walking on water and through walls and breaking a few loaves and fishes to feed thousands with baskets left over, turning water into wine...you know, all that...and then people say He was a good man or we can be better by just doing as He said? Or that everything else that was reported about Him in the Bible is true except His words that there will be a final judgment? Huh. I don't understand that. Either He was God's son or He was a fake and a liar. If His resurrection from the dead and ascension was a lie or a fairy tale of men then why is that we should we forgive our neighbors or do unto others as we would have them do unto us, considered true? People around here are still thinking they can prove God exist or that to be God, He must first be understood by their puny human minds, when nothing else about this world or creation has been proven or seen by most people. A God that I can reason out or that bows to me? I'm still trying to figure out what electricity was created from and why we didn't evolve to fly and swim underwater or have eyes in the back of our heads or venom in our teeth if we are truly the highest product of evolution only. How much longer is it going to take for rabbits to grow their own gardens or dogs to raise rabbits for food? Animals had as long as we did to figure these things out. Birds are born knowing what to eat and how to gather and build nests and when to fly south out of what...reason or brainpower? Why have they stopped there and just not come inside and built a fire? Does anyone understand that? No, we study it and accept it. But then our search and longing for God is not the way He made us but a weakness from the fear of death or societal chaos? We understands elements and atoms and the different combinations and speeds, that everything is constantly moving but we still don't know what all that is made of at the most microscopic level. And even if we did see it, we still didn't create it. Man has never created anything out of nothing, only manipulated what was already here. And then to say God doesn't exist because we as pitiful men, don't have "proof?" Or that God was the first cause and everything else was random, that we evolved to be better than God because we care about each other and He doesn't care? Weird. I first had faith and then I received proof and that happens over and over in my life. "Those that come to God must believe that He is and that He is the rewarder of those that diligently seek Him", that He exists and that He cares. Why is that so difficult for smart people? Because they are smarter than God, if He exists at all? Okay that's me. And yes, I need some more accountability in my life but I'm not sure it will fly around here because our belief system has the condition of belief and humility to God and that, logically speaking, must be false according to the smart people belief system.