[John Freestone]

Originally Posted by tekomino

John, beyond certain point, there is no point to really argue about this subject or many/most others on this site. People believe what they want to believe. Whether that has anything to do with reality does not make any difference. This has been the case since dawn of human race. Its nothing new under sun.

However, if you want to crystalize your thinking and positions it can be good. You don't do that in place where everyone agrees with you

Yes, I want to discuss the issues and I understand that discussion involves differences of opinion. I don't want everyone to agree with me. I want there to be a voice of reason pointing out the dangers and philosophical problems of believing in magic(k), and to keep restating the possibility (indeed the great probablity, in my view) that Intention Manifestation works, if and when it does, through complex biological and physical processes, rather than supernatural powers.

I am aware that one of the problems of doing that in discussion is that if someone like ALG believes in magick, their magical thinking allows them to sidestep, to some extent or fully, reason and logic. It could be argued that it is internally logical to do so: maybe logic, labels, reason, and scientific experiments are, in a magical world, largely irrelevant.

The LOA is another dream of getting riches, happiness, health, everything you want easy way. Similar to lottery.

On another hand, I will say, LOA has its good side in so far as it helps put people in right frame of mind so they get strength to go after their dreams. In most cases we are the ones standing between us and things we want. If that gets barrier down then its good.

Absolutely. I'm not against people waking up to how they limit themselves with negative thoughts. I'm all for people using positive thinking. There's even a place for hope against hope when things look impossible. I just think there's a big difference between that and how the LoA is being sold.

LOA won't magically give you anything, but if it you are willing to work hard for what you want and LOA gives you the strength to do so then go for it.

I see personally belief in LOA to be limiting though. There is no magical force bringing things to you. Or you attracting things. You are the one earning them. You are the one that must believe in himself/herself. Not in some hogwash Law Of Attraction... LOA will not help you when hard-times hit. Belief in yourself that you can overcome will.

I agree up to a point with your general drift. Even so, I'd have to say "belief in yourself that you can overcome might". Belief in yourself is likely to help. It doesn't stop trucks or bullets or make fascist armies turn tail on its own. Belief encourages. But I think you meant that.