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Old 06-16-2008, 12:05 PM   #26 (permalink)
John Freestone
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I'm sorry to bother you. Let's leave this and I'll argue my case with other people, or I'll do it talking to myself. I don't care. I'm interested in working out honestly, with people who can be bothered to think, a bit more about the way the world works.

From what I gather, then, you have transcended reductionist thinking, "given up on the labels". Your numbered hypotheses now use "suppose" instead of "propose"; there's nothing to test when you're only problem is how to make yourself believe even more than you already do.

I think that our continuing to discuss this would be fruitless for you not because of a lack of understanding or experience on my part, but because you refuse to respond honestly and rationally. It seems ridiculous to assume that my not having read about psychic phenomena under the specific label "magick" means that I do not have sufficient knowledge or experience to hold a reasonable and polite discussion of the issues.

In fact, I am not interested in whether it is fruitful for you, and I am perfectly capable of deciding what may be fruitful for myself. My main motivation for discussing these issues as rationally and politely as possible is because this is a public space where superstition and supposition are rife, and where some people might benefit greatly from overcoming these insidious flaws that have kept people chained to religion for the whole of human history.

You seem unlikely to wake up. I imagine, with some sadness, that arguing with you might actually entrench you further. It seems to me that you keep choosing to bolster your suppositions, even to the point of refusing to discriminate between different mental processes by using different "labels" (yet, notably, telling me that I don't understand "magick" because I haven't read the definition of the word in wikipedia).

Clearly, to many of you, this is a good thing. Danman85 said "All in all, I'm sure he's helping you and many others solidify reasons intention-manifestation works so well!" Perhaps I am helping you solidify reasons why you think it works so well. But I hope that my posts will help others, those further away from the event horizon of this philosophical black hole.

You can dive in, go on, take the plunge into subjective reality and to hell with making sense anymore. And once you're inside, well, anything can happen can't it. Magick. Alternatively, it does seem to have negative effects on ones mental functioning. Nothing is testable anymore. Anything anyone tells you is true unless they disagree with you. Truth is exactly what you decide you're going to believe.

It scares me, because it makes the job of oppressors so much easier when you've virtually blown your own brains out.
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