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Old 06-14-2008, 07:05 PM   #18 (permalink)
yossarian
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When Jesus spoke of Hell in Mark I don't see any evidence to indicate that he meant an eternal Hell that could not be escaped.

Rather, Hell can be escaped at any time by following the teaching of Jesus.

Part of the disconnect between you and I is that I have a very nonstandard view of reality compared to mainstream Christians. Maybe it makes this discussion a pointless discussion, but whatever. We can probably both learn something

Let me make a list for you:

1. I believe in reincarnation.
2. I think John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah.
3. Heaven represents a state of Ascension, which can be attained on Earth through perfect God communion of humanity. (And elsewhere as well)
4. Hell represents a sense of separation from God, where the suffering is worse the more you feel separated.
5. Sinning creates a sense of separation, even though you are never truly separate. (How can you ever be truly separated from an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God?)
6. Hell can certainly continue after this life. The Earth is not the only place to live in. But even after this life, by following Jesus' teachings we can escape Hell at any time. It is entirely our choice.
7. The Day of Judgment is the day of Ascension, when the Earth moves into the next realm of creation. This next realm is the Heavenly realm that we have been told so much about, but it is not the last realm.
8. Only those whose "Eye is Single" will be able to stay with the Earth when it moves into this heavenly realm. The Single Eye refers to the Third Eye being open with the chakras flowing freely making that person compatible with the Heavenly vibrations. A person whose Eye is Single is someone who uses their Third Eye to know God. This is someone who uses their imagination to know God, someone who prays or meditates and thereby becomes open to the Holy Spirit.
9. If you are not compatible with the Heavenly vibrations, you can't enter this Heavenly realm that the Earth becomes. You have to go elsewhere until you become compatible, at which point you can then enter.

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I see a whole lot of people living in oppostion, evil opposition, to what Jesus said, and they have no earthly hell and seem to have no remorse. OJ, Manson, Scott Peterson, Pedophiles, Rapists, etc. All they All on equal footing with God in Jesus and just don't know it? If we all go to heaven no matter what, will you please keep those guys on your side?
I submit that these people suffer in ways you can't imagine. It is silent suffering, quiet desperation.

On top of that, in the next life (whether it is on Earth or not) they will continue to work with their suffering, and if they continue to make the same choices they have made, their suffering will deepen.

They won't be able to enter Heaven until they've purified themselves. However, one day they will do just that. God does not give up on his children. The prodigal sons will one day return and repent and be forgiven, even if it takes a million years of suffering. All suffering is self-inflicted; God does not punish. God is merciful and loving, and endlessly forgiving. God respects our free will, and often our free will puts us in a place of suffering. God will not abridge our right to choose suffering, but neither will he ever leave us or forget us or give up on us.

Matthew 20:16, "So the last shall be first, and the first last"

IMO the best thing that modern Christians can do for their own enlightenment is to look deeply at the difference between Mark and John, and decide which one resonates more with them. To me, Mark is a blueprint for liberation, while John is a blueprint for elitism.

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