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Originally Posted by yossarian  By believeth he was talking about believing the message. Not believing "in Jesus".
By damned he meant that the person would suffer in a Hell on Earth of their own making. Not be sent there by God for eternity.
The idea of Jesus being the "only" son of God and that we must be baptized in water in order to have eternal life is from John. John is widely agreed to have been heavily "spun" in comparison to Mark.
We are all children of God on equal footing with Jesus, we just have not awoken to that reality.
Mark supports this statement. John does not. Mark is considered to be closer to the source, while John is obviously heavily influenced by someone with doctrinal education and an agenda. |
We ARE all children of God on equal footing with Jesus, but what does "with Jesus" mean to you?
You seem to be saying that we are all with Jesus whether we know it or not and the only damnation we recieve is not following His message on how to live. And while there may be earthly consequences to not following the message, there will not be eternal consequences. Do I least understand you?
What does Mark say to support that statement?
If you want to believe that, go ahead. But to say that what you are saying is what the Bible says, unless you can support that from the Bible, is misleading people.
All of the 3 gospels you say are closer to the truth, talk about the baptism of repentance of John the baptist as a preparation for Jesus. And the reason for the cruxification, if not that He took the punishment for our sins? Are you saying the sins of the whole world are forgiven whether they repent or not?
Luke 24
45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Mark 6
11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Luke 21-one of the verses that is tied into the rapture idea
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
13 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
I don't really believe that you have to believe there is a heaven or hell to be saved from it. But if you think that Jesus came just to show us how to live, what happens if we don't. Personally, I see a whole lot of people living in oppostion, evil opposition, to what Jesus said, and they have no earthly hell and seem to have no remorse. OJ, Manson, Scott Peterson, Pedophiles, Rapists, etc. All they All on equal footing with God in Jesus and just don't know it? If we all go to heaven no matter what, will you please keep those guys on your side?